Quote (Ghot @ Mar 22 2020 03:06am)

S Korea did react well. But keep in mind, we're talking a country the size of Indiana with a population of 51 million.

The US has 7x the population, and 97 times the land area.

Quote (Santara @ Mar 22 2020 07:52am)

Lots of good data in this link, originally published on medium dot com but taken down. Re-published by the internet's pariah zerohedge:

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/covid-19-evidence-over-hysteria

It's a long read (33 minutes estimated), chock full of better metrics (and sources) than "total cases." Long story shortened, yes this is a serious issue, no it's not as bad as it's being made out to be.

Quote (Skinned @ Mar 22 2020 06:57am)

Is Italy hysterical?

Quote (Santara @ Mar 22 2020 06:52am)

Lots of good data in this link, originally published on medium dot com but taken down. Re-published by the internet's pariah zerohedge:

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/covid-19-evidence-over-hysteria

It's a long read (33 minutes estimated), chock full of better metrics (and sources) than "total cases." Long story shortened, yes this is a serious issue, no it's not as bad as it's being made out to be.

Quote (Ghot @ 22 Mar 2020 00:06)

S Korea did react well. But keep in mind, we're talking a country the size of Indiana with a population of 51 million.

The US has 7x the population, and 97 times the land area.

Quote (fender @ Mar 22 2020 03:13am)

the US also had weeks of warning, a whole ocean between them and china, a lower population density and median age... those are all factors that FAVOUR them.

Quote (Skinned @ Mar 22 2020 07:34am)

This just isn't an excuse. We have way more resources per person available provided we had a more rational distribution system for health care.

Honestly most of the world is better at us than healthcare because the health system was deemed vital for health of their nations.

In the US our health and illness is something to capitalize on and exploit for purposes of greed and profit.

Our values are different.

Quote (Secksii @ Mar 22 2020 08:25am)

That's what makes it even more impressive, tiny dot on map with more people than Canada (way less space, way more chance of spreading to other people, yet dealt with as best they could, even with crazy cult people intentionally spreading the virus)

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Timeline: The Regulations—and Regulators—That Delayed Coronavirus Testing
There have been three major regulatory barriers so far.

Lessons learned.
In her call with reporters on February 21, Nancy Messonnier, who runs the CDC’s research on immunization and respiratory diseases, said: “We are working with the FDA, who have oversight over us, under the EUA, on redoing some of the kits. We obviously would not want to use anything but the most perfect possible kits, since we’re making determinations about whether people have COVID-19 or not.” This mentality is understandable coming from a regulator under ordinary circumstances. In normal times, and with non-highly contagious diseases, many of these regulations related to testing make sense. However, during a global pandemic, the risk calculus shifts. As Dr. Mike Ryan, executive director of the WHO's health emergencies program, said in a press conference last week, when battling a new virus, “speed trumps perfection.”

The FDA did the right thing when it expanded the EUA exemption to all labs and manufacturers and devolved regulatory oversight to the states. The Department of Health and Human Services did the right thing when it waived certain provisions of the HIPAA Privacy Rule. But all of these actions were six weeks too late. Policymakers should consider implementing an automatic trigger so these decisions are made immediately upon the declaration of a public health emergency. COVID-19 will not be the last public health emergency. Speed, not perfection must be the focus of government agencies who are entrusted to protect the health of hundreds of millions of Americans. A distributed approach would be much more resilient to the inevitable mistakes and accidents inherent to pandemic response. Instead, in this crisis, the FDA bet big on a single testing protocol from the CDC and burned its ships. And when the “perfect” test failed spectacularly, everyone was left wishing for a way to retreat.

Quote (Ghot @ Mar 22 2020 08:58am)

Ok, maybe square miles was too complicated. Let's look at it this way... S. Korea is 100 miles wide by 250 miles long... approximately. Even just using cars, S Korean agencies can travel from one side to the other in 4 hours (without speeding).
When covering such a small territory, first responders can get from anywhere to anywhere in S Korea in 4 hours, by car. Now think of the sheer size of the US. I don't care how good your tech or your economy is...it still takes much longer for 1st responders in the US to just... get to all the places they need to get to.

But then again... orange man bad, US bad... etc., right? :/

Quote (Santara @ Mar 22 2020 11:52am)

Lots of good data in this link, originally published on medium dot com but taken down. Re-published by the internet's pariah zerohedge:

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/covid-19-evidence-over-hysteria

It's a long read (33 minutes estimated), chock full of better metrics (and sources) than "total cases." Long story shortened, yes this is a serious issue, no it's not as bad as it's being made out to be.