What a cop out.
I don't need to visit israel to understand that:
Murdering children is wrong
Murdering women is wrong
Murdering civilians of any kind is wrong
Tourturing people is wrong
Displacing people is wrong
Occupying and settling into your neighbours territory is wrong
Genocide and war crimes are wrong.
the israeli government is doing all of the above and have been for generations now. It's time for it to stop, or for the world to make them stop. Enough is enough.

Thats what happened on october 7th

I sure hope so.
The German people are being attacked en masse as we speak.

expect some heavy messing over the next 48-72 hours. a quote:

47 boats are now within range.
Israeli Navy saying it is ready.
too many boats to tow, therefore the navy will board, detain, transfer, deport, and sink some of the vessels.

This post was edited by ferdia on Oct 1 2025 05:35am

I think my position is pretty simple, housing the leadership and negotiators of Hamas, and mediating with them for Israel and the US was fine. even a good service. before october 7th. and before the war.

after october 7th and the war if mediation isnt getting anywhere, and it wasnt, then its not a valuable service any longer tbh. how many peace deals have fallen apart just in this war? many.

so now qatar is in a position where they're actively harboring the leadership of a terrorist organization that is unwilling to meet reasonable demands at the negotiating table.

i'd even go so far as to say if hamas were more agreeable to negotiate the end of the war i'd change my position. but both sides are pretending the war is all about hostages, who are almost certainly corpses now. it stopped being about hostages a long time ago, its all about land now. israel wants to destroy it but keep it part of their sovereign, hamas wants it even if its all rubble as their own sovereign. neither cares about the people, nor does Qatar.

uhhh waves of hostages were freed under mediation/negotiation via Qatar, and while Trump and Netanyahu like to dictate a negotiated settlement, the ability to talk to Hamas is a pretty useful skill to have. Also what do you mean by " if hamas were more agreeable to negotiate the end of the war i'd change my position" i would humbly question this erroneous view.
(also estimates are, last i checked, approx 18 hostages still alive)

"if hamas were more agreeable to negotiate the end of the war"

In June 2024 The UN Security Council adopted Resolution 2735 on June 10, 2024, calling on Hamas to accept a proposed three-phase ceasefire and hostage agreement. The resolution noted Israel's acceptance of the proposal. However, Israel then changed its mind leading to complications in the implementation of the agreement

In July 2024 Netanyahu presented a "clarifications" document that introduced new conditions to a U.S.-backed truce deal. These conditions included maintaining a military presence in the Philadelphi Corridor in southern Gaza, deviating from the original phased withdrawal plan. This move altered the terms of the agreement, leading to its collapse.

In Sept 2024 Netanyahu added a new demand for permanent Israeli control over the Philadelphi Corridor, a strategic area between Egypt and Gaza. This condition was rejected by both Cairo and Hamas, further hindering ceasefire efforts.

In August 2024 In August 2024, Hamas rejected an updated U.S. proposal for a ceasefire and hostage deal, citing Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu's shifting demands as a primary reason. Hamas accused Israel of moving the goalposts, which undermined the credibility of the negotiations

i.e. Israel, repeatedly shifted the goalposts and have done everything to thwart peace, even going so far as to try to assassinate the Peace NEGOTIATORS! Each time new conditions were introduced, previously agreed-upon terms were undermined, leading to the collapse or stalling of potential agreements. This approach has not only frustrated Hamas but also strained relations with international mediators and partners.

This post was edited by ferdia on Oct 1 2025 06:25am

That's exactly what israel has been doing to gaza for the last 77 years mate. You cannot have it both ways. Atrocities breeds atrocities and israel has been committing them now for close to a century.

Here's a short video of israelis having talks about how it's okay to kill pregnant women, babies and small toddlers & children.

firstly dont mistake me, i find israel to be no more credibly seeking negotiations than hamas. they're both bad actors, which makes mediation all the more difficult to really value.

secondly any previous negotiations around hostages are largely a joke, imo. as bad as i feel for the hostages themselves they're lower than pawns in this game. if Hamas handed over every last hostage on October 8th untouched and unharmed the war still would have happened. the kids still would have died. and the cities would still be rubble. israel is bent on destroying gaza and displacing, killing, or starving as many gazans as they can. and hamas is bent on that too, so they can hope international pressure forces israel to yield territory as a Palestinian state. they can not hope to get a 2 state solution in any other way, before or after october 7th. they goaded israel into a war they know will make israel look bad, and net and yahoo took the bait. mostly because it was also his only way to stay in power. 2 forces dead set on the war continuing to its furthest conclusion are not good candidates for negotiation.

Hamas HAS agreed to NEGOTIATED deals though, only for Israel to then change its mind. this is the distinction that i was trying to make. i am addressing your original point - "if hamas were more agreeable to negotiate the end of the war"

the issue with the current "deal" on the "table" is that it was not "negotiated" it was dictated.

This post was edited by ferdia on Oct 1 2025 06:52am

lets be clear, in the MACRO view hamas may negotiate an end to the war, but for them its really the end of a battle. they have no long term plans other than to continue to attack israel goading them to kill palestinians in the hopes it leads to a 2 state solution or more broad wars in the middle east of israel vs its neighbors. they'll regroup, take international aid to rebuilt, horde many of the supplies, create bombs and terror tunnels, sneak weapons through blockades, etc.

so what deal, whether they brokered or it was dictated, are they actually honestly willing to abide by? which deal will result in them building no more rockets? which deal will lead to no more camps training militants? which deal will stop leadership in qatar from shipping ak 47s in crates disguised as food in the hopes that 1 in 20 makes it into gaza? none of course. so they're just as unreliable of a negotiator as israel.