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Oct 25 2017 09:31am
Quote (fender @ 25 Oct 2017 11:21)
are you really so triggered that you resort to the lazy nazi innuendos of people whose contributions to this forum could easily be replaced by linking an "edgy" white trash teenager's facebook feed?

seriously, when your best argument is to say that you can't be free in a country where it's illegal to systematically, repeatedly, and publicly deny the holocaust, you clearly got your personal priorities messed up and know that your cherry-picking has reached moronic levels.

again, feel free to compare ACTUAL individual and social freedoms and you will quickly see WHO has more:

https://www.cato.org/human-freedom-index
http://patrickrhamey.com/saturday-research/2017/8/15/2017-state-of-world-liberty-index


nice, icemage has fender aka heinrich von goebbels, descendant of joseph, spamming the same links over and over again. also got him to display his blatant racial bigotry. a two-for-one.

it's funny heinrich mentions something like 'lazy nazi' when he commanded several people via pm (in part of a full rage-essay he copy-pasted) to address him as such:

Quote (fender @ 4 Feb 2017 16:15)
call me heinrich, nazi, bigot, homophobe, anti-turk


and don't forgot that fender aka heinrich von goebbels, descendant of joseph, is intolerant of brown people as well. quite the unsavory character this voyeur is.

Quote (fender @ 4 Oct 2017 19:10)
brown ppl are just lazy and want everything done for them


reported, btw
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Oct 25 2017 09:41am
Quote (fender @ 25 Oct 2017 17:21)
are you really so triggered that you resort to the lazy nazi innuendos of people whose contributions to this forum could easily be replaced by linking an "edgy" white trash teenager's facebook feed?

seriously, when your best argument is to say that you can't be free in a country where it's illegal to systematically, repeatedly, and publicly deny the holocaust, you clearly got your personal priorities messed up and know that your cherry-picking has reached moronic levels.

again, feel free to compare ACTUAL individual and social freedoms and you will quickly see WHO has more:

https://www.cato.org/human-freedom-index
http://patrickrhamey.com/saturday-research/2017/8/15/2017-state-of-world-liberty-index


always cute when mister "i am triggered" himself talks about other people being triggered :rofl:

next trump rage essay in 3...2..1....
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Oct 25 2017 09:48am
Quote (IceMage @ 25 Oct 2017 16:29)
The right of people to express their inaccurate, perhaps even crazy viewpoints seems like a basic standard of freedom that your country doesn't meet. Also not sure why you keep spamming a libertarian propaganda outlet.


ah, the typical "fake news" accusation for every source of information that doesn't fit into your narrative, a true classic by now...

well, the simple and inescapable fact is that germany has SIGNIFICANTLY more individual freedom than the US. no matter how important publicly denying the holocaust is to you, trying to make the whole freedom and individual rights conversation about just this one specific issue, just shows how desperate you are...
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Oct 25 2017 10:11am
Quote (fender @ Oct 25 2017 10:48am)
ah, the typical "fake news" accusation for every source of information that doesn't fit into your narrative, a true classic by now...

well, the simple and inescapable fact is that germany has SIGNIFICANTLY more individual freedom than the US. no matter how important publicly denying the holocaust is to you, trying to make the whole freedom and individual rights conversation about just this one specific issue, just shows how desperate you are...


You can't just post libertarian propaganda without being called out for it.

Any country where I can't own a gun or express my views openly isn't a free country. You guys are slaves.
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Oct 25 2017 10:26am
Quote (IceMage @ Oct 25 2017 10:11am)
You can't just post libertarian propaganda without being called out for it.

Any country where I can't own a gun or express my views openly isn't a free country. You guys are slaves.


All rights have limits
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Oct 25 2017 10:44am
Quote (IceMage @ 25 Oct 2017 17:11)
You can't just post libertarian propaganda without being called out for it.

Any country where I can't own a gun or express my views openly isn't a free country. You guys are slaves.


even if you think that just dismissing the human freedom index as "libertarian propaganda" (without even bothering to elaborate WHAT in its methodology / findings specifically makes it "propaganda") is anywhere close to an actual argument, you still haven't addressed the other source i provided - or given any that supported YOUR point for that matter.
what about this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index ? how many can you discredit with simplistic accusations and narratives before you come up with an actual argument that is not just cherry picking one exception and trying to misrepresent it as common rule?

speaking of simplistic: if exceptions to your freedom of speech mean you're a "slave", guess what: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions you guys are slaves too. also, you can own guns in germany, get your facts straight.

seriously, had i known that debunking your stupid little "europeans don't value their freedom and rights" talking point would damage your mental state so severely, i would have refrained from doing it. i almost feel bad seeing your desperate attempts to justify your obviously moronic claims...
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Oct 25 2017 10:54am
Quote (Thor123422 @ Oct 25 2017 12:26pm)
All rights have limits



Move to Germany, br0
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Oct 25 2017 10:59am
Quote (fender @ Oct 25 2017 11:44am)
even if you think that just dismissing the human freedom index as "libertarian propaganda" (without even bothering to elaborate WHAT in its methodology / findings specifically makes it "propaganda") is anywhere close to an actual argument, you still haven't addressed the other source i provided - or given any that supported YOUR point for that matter.
what about this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index ? how many can you discredit with simplistic accusations and narratives before you come up with an actual argument that is not just cherry picking one exception and trying to misrepresent it as common rule?

speaking of simplistic: if exceptions to your freedom of speech mean you're a "slave", guess what: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions you guys are slaves too. also, you can own guns in germany, get your facts straight.

seriously, had i known that debunking your stupid little "europeans don't value their freedom and rights" talking point would damage your mental state so severely, i would have refrained from doing it. i almost feel bad seeing your desperate attempts to justify your obviously moronic claims...


You're attacking a strawman, also don't project your feelings onto me.

I triggered you by saying Europeans would be quick to give up their rights if a minuscule amount of people died. That's absolutely true... and you already gave them up decades ago.

Nothing funnier than a German lecturing an American on freedom though. Maybe you really are a Russian troll, trying to sow division between Americans and Germans.

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Oct 25 2017 11:26am
Quote (IceMage @ 25 Oct 2017 17:59)
You're attacking a strawman, also don't project your feelings onto me.

I triggered you by saying Europeans would be quick to give up their rights if a minuscule amount of people died. That's absolutely true... and you already gave them up decades ago.

Nothing funnier than a German lecturing an American on freedom though. Maybe you really are a Russian troll, trying to sow division between Americans and Germans.


ah, so you just declare it a "strawman" so you don't have to provide any arguments or sources. very "smart"...
but whatever, your little "freedom" talking point has been debunked, it's just a fake label at this point - germany has more freedom than america (which btw is one of the very few developed countries that has a NEGATIVE development in that regard), if you acknowledge it or not has obviously zero impact on that inescapable truth.

sure, we are not allowed to publicly deny the holocaust - if that is your main priority you're obviously better off in america but hey, to each their own i guess...
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Oct 25 2017 11:29am
Quote (IceMage @ 25 Oct 2017 18:59)
You're attacking a strawman, also don't project your feelings onto me.

I triggered you by saying Europeans would be quick to give up their rights if a minuscule amount of people died. That's absolutely true... and you already gave them up decades ago.

Nothing funnier than a German lecturing an American on freedom though. Maybe you really are a Russian troll, trying to sow division between Americans and Germans.


he is not, just an obsessed social justice warrior who loves diversity, but when it comes to diversity of opinion he goes berserk

on topic

meanwhile in germany an islamist weapons depot got busted
20k cartridges and several firearms of all sorts




https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article170026168/Waffen-und-grosse-Mengen-Munition-in-Islamistenszene-beschlagnahmt.html
http://www.focus.de/politik/deutschland/razzia-in-berlin-waffen-und-grosse-mengen-munition-in-islamistenszene-beschlagnahmt_id_7761663.html

we got everything under control folks, nothing to see here

€: kinda cute that one of the articles labels the firearms in the picture as "small submachine guns" :lol:

This post was edited by ampoo on Oct 25 2017 11:31am
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