Something you should know is that statistics about racial IQ that you hear were basically fabricated.

The book The Bell Curve created actively misleading statistics including those of racial IQ. One example, is they took a study done in factory workers in Zimbabwe and high school students at an elite school, converted the results from that study to IQ (which it couldn't be, but they did it anyway with their home-brew method) and then reported the lower-class factory workers as the "average black IQ". Another example was IQ tests done during apartheid. They took the IQ tests from actively subjugated apartheid people and claimed this was the "unoppressed black IQ", because they were still living in Africa and therefore hadn't experienced American racism. Even though they were living under apartheid....

So keep this in mind when you cite IQ results. They have been actively fabricated to make "certain groups" seem smarter than others. In reality, there are plenty of studies that show IQ differences can be easily accounted for with societal conditions. You can raise somebody's IQ several points just by getting them out of financial stress, and you can lower than IQ several points by giving them a financial health questionaire right before they take the test. IQ tests are not nearly as reliable as most people are lead to believe. They are highly variable.

I can't speak on race as it pertains to IQ, because race is a social construct.

IQ is a direct result of adaptation over thousands of years - having to overcome challenging hardship, like bitterly cold temperatures and perpetual war. That's why China's average IQ is insanely high, because for thousands of years they existed in a state of nearly constant faction warfare in an unforgiving climate. This is also why Norther European whites have higher average IQs than Africans, because they moved away from Africa and had to adapt to colder climate and new forms of disease and warfare which developed as a result of technological advances.

This is why the average IQ in America has been progressively dropping since the 1950's. People have grown comfortable and weak genes are being allowed to survive.

When I cite IQ results, I'm not speaking about blacks as a group - I'm speaking about human beings who happen to be black in skin complexion. As I was careful to point out already, there are plenty of examples of blacks with high IQs, like Neil Tyson or the Nigerian immigrants who come here and start businesses.

This post was edited by LoverManGenius on Jul 22 2021 07:59pm

But you are speaking to groups. You are saying that IQ is a result of adaptation over thousands of years and therefore "non-Africans" have higher IQ because of that adaptation, and then saying that you're not speaking to blacks as a group. You don't get to have it both ways.

Sure I can.

I lazily use the word 'blacks' while clarifying what I mean by that once. Now that you know that my use of the word 'blacks' means something different, there shouldn't be any further confusion on the issue.


Its just a lot easier for me to speak within the framework of race, because generally speaking - the words are sufficient to capture the vast majority of the people I'm talking about.

This post was edited by LoverManGenius on Jul 22 2021 08:11pm

Problem is you can explain China's really high IQ scores pretty simply. They have a school system with incredibly rigorous testing. If you are brought up in a situation where you don't graduate high school unless you achieve a minimum score on your high school final test, you will be a phenomenal test taker by the time you're an adult... or else.

Similarly, you can explain the deviance between white and black scores with pretty simple societal factors. For instance, did you know that black youths are far more likely to have run-ins with police that end in detainment even when they are with groups of white kids, and their test scores drop a substantial amount afterwards, and that test drop isn't seen in the white students? This shit has been studied to death, and this kind of thing is really common.

Your explanation of "IQ developing from hard times outside of Africa" doesn't really carry water because it's contradicted by the evidence on how IQ develops and is measured.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Jul 22 2021 08:16pm

I agree with this.

So China hasn't been in perpetual war in modern times, but they have maintained that stereotypically strict and rigid discipline that we all know Asians for. Japan is the same way - don't graduate school? Better commit suicide, because you'll pretty much want to.

Even in modern times, only the strongest people survive in these countries - the rest are made to be slaves and often die early, probably in some degenerate factory somewhere.


I think this is also why America has fallen so badly in the IQ department. We have gotten lazy and only continue to enable degeneracy in the west - too comfortable, too easy to depend on an impossibly wealthy Government that constantly buys its votes with handouts and just generally glutton on deluded hope for potential - without ever having learned the discipline not to need it.

Okay so, do you see IQ as unchanging in a person, or as something that can be cultivated?

IQ can absolutely be changed - it happens all of the time when we compare the results of having been breast fed or not.

Babies who weren't breastfed (on average) suffer an IQ disadvantage of anywhere from 5-7 points, which is absolutely insane.

Malnourishment in general can also be an issue and there's even some evidence supporting that idea that IQ can be altered in real time by placebo, like putting someone in a dress shirt and glasses - then asking them to perform a test.


It also makes sense to me that IQ could be misread when assessed due to other factors like depression, or just generally not having the ball rolling in life. An athlete who is on top of his game and loving his life is probably a lot more likely to score higher on his IQ test than if he were drugged out and emo / cutting himself.



Overall, I would estimate that an individual human's ability to alter their IQ through self improvement is probably limited at about 10 points max. If you did everything right in life, you get the full 10 - anything less than that, you start to see retardation.

This post was edited by LoverManGenius on Jul 22 2021 08:27pm

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