of course not, the prospect of a civil war in America is laughable.

There will be some other new cycle item in no time at all that will replace this one. Flavour of the week for people to get riled up and make facebook posts about.

I do feel like this killing will be regretted by many people on the left simply because the right have most of the guns because they come from areas where guns aren’t as regulated.

Whats your point? you def don’t see “the right” going and shooting people over their beliefs.

I don't think that crosses anyones mind because its meaningless.

What is regrettable for the moderate left-wing person is that this will further eclipse a moderate stance. You wouldn't think a moderate left stance exists but it does, 50% of America are not left-wing extremists as users here might suggest. Its your normal neighbor who has slightly different values than perhaps you do, but just everyday people.

Events like this result in grouping. You have idiots here who just proclaim this is what the Left wants!

That would be the exact same as me taking the Fox and Friends clip from a few days ago and saying see every right wing person wants mentally ill, poor people and disabled people killed via involuntary injection. No, that is not what the average person wants.

Tell that to Melissa hortman.

I think what he ment was the same as I mean. You dont see the right as in , the right does not support that either.

What you see is select psychopaths from each extreme in small single events. The "right" are not rising up with guns to cause harm. Just as the "left" is not either.

People want to generalize so badly so they can pretend their alignment is the better.

This post was edited by SBD on Sep 17 2025 06:06am

Consider the fallacy, the 'paradox of tolerance'

The radicals would say that we must be intolerant of the intolerant and silence their political expression. And if we tolerate the radicals advocating that, their violence can spiral out of control and we wind up at a minimum with political violence like this, or historically its led to bloody revolutions and atrocities and mass killings. So we must be intolerant of those intolerant of intolerance. And back and forth it goes, making what seems like a paradox. At least, to morons. To people so deep into relativism their feet aren't on the ground.
In reality there are obvious rational bounds to civility we arrived at as a society because they make sense. Like the Overton Window. Speech and actions we tolerate because expression has inherent merit in fostering debate for our common good, speech we must allow but repudiate and counter with our own speech for its repugnant nature, and speech that poses immediate and direct harm without merit and can be criminal. The differences between them aren't indefinably subjective, we've spent centuries hammering out those distinctions in court cases and have the likes of Brandeis putting them to words.

Its really not hard for a well adjusted person to figure out whether speech has merit, whether its repugnant, whether its criminal. And defending the freedom of speech means more than just protecting speech from criminality, it means respecting people's speech with merit regardless of your opposition to it. Not seeking to punish them outside the law, threaten them, try to have them doxxed or fired from their job. And if they aren't making a constructive political argument, repugnant-but-protected speech can deserve public shaming and personal consequences. Because that's how we resolve the paradox of intolerance. We have to intolerant of those that violate the bounds of civility, whether they are motivated by their own false idea of the paradox or they're just dickheads.

You are only as strong as your weakest link. If the left allows extremists and still has other supporting what that extremist did they are all extremists by stigma. The same with the right.

Now we can say.. “But they aren’t all like that” or “It’s unfair to generalize people” and you’d be right but HUMANS ARE NOT REASONABLE. Especially in 2025.

(Idealism of a perfect world is for fools.)

This post was edited by T3XBOT on Sep 17 2025 06:13am

Disagree, I don't think there's a fundamental change in humans, just how much noise you hear and how people act online. Take this same discussion with everyone in this topic alone and do it in person and see what response you get. Same with the Minnesota killings. Guarantee its entirely different. People just want to make rifts online, some type of derived enjoyment in the brain. I am as guilty as any, going back to the days of Sc1 even, people just enjoy getting each other going online.

Some will be different but most will be the same just maybe toned down.