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Oct 13 2023 02:02pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 13 2023 02:26pm)
i still dont see a way where the chances to die on the road exceed the chances to die in North Gaza as the army moves in. the frying pan beats the fire.


I don't think you appreciate how insane of an event a million person march would be without power, water, or food, across a river valley with barely serviceable bridges, in less than 24 hours.

Moving them in a month with full logistics would be a herculean task on par with anything humans have ever done. As it stands, stay or leave is a death sentence for the majority.

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Oct 13 2023 02:08pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ Oct 13 2023 09:56pm)
That is my understanding as well. I find it hard to reconcile those results with the idea that "everyone supports them [Hamas]".


i said basically everyone and those few dissidents are dealt with quickly as we established

there is never 100% support for anything anywhere, thats clear of course

a handful of people speaking is not a movement and there was no resistance when hamas dug up water pipes to build and launch rockets

Quote (fender @ Oct 13 2023 09:47pm)
it's almost like they are TRYING to prove me right, lol. when you have that palestinian children are all hamas in order to justify their indiscriminate slaughtering you know that YOU'RE the one justifying atrocities - while ironically accusing people, who repeatedly denounced atrocities from the occupied, as terrorism apologists. it's pure projection really. accuse the other side of what you're guilty of. propaganda 101. in reality, everybody know who has been killing the other side by a rate of more than 20 to 1... women, children, medical personnel, reporters, human rights activists, unarmed protesters... but hey, all "terrosists", all legitimate targets...


i dont care about your strawman shit and i never said everyone is a legitimate target

however in the harsh reality israel cant possibly be expected to buy the human shield tactics from hamas

literal decades of terror against jews and multiple wars against them, maybe just stop attacking them, if you dont want a residential building with a rocket launcher on it blown up

are some of the bombings pure retaliation with no military value? sure, maybe just dont massacre jews then

thankfully israel does not listen to shitlibs or we would have another holocaust

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Oct 13 2023 02:11pm
I wonder what's more impossible

Having Gazans evacuate as much as possible or having Hamas release the Israeli hostages, stop setting military related things in civilian infrastructure and then turn themselves for what they have done?


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Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 13 2023 02:26pm)
i still dont see a way where the chances to die on the road exceed the chances to die in North Gaza as the army moves in. the frying pan beats the fire.


This is not necessarily true

You have families in houses that still have water and resources saved. Bathtubs filled with water. If they move, they can’t bring everything with them. Average family size In Gaza is 5. When you’re walking, how much food and water can you bring with you? On the road with a million starving thirsty people isn’t exactly a stroll through Central Park

Obviously people will try, but to make it sound like it an easy feat, is ignoring the reality for a lot of these people.


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Oct 13 2023 02:11pm
So israel told all the people in gaza to get on buses and leave gaza.

Now Israel is bombing the buses with all the civilians on it.
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Quote (Bazi @ Oct 13 2023 03:11pm)
This is not necessarily true

You have families in houses that still have water and resources saved. Bathtubs filled with water. If they move, they can’t bring everything with them. Average family size In Gaza is 5. When you’re walking, how much food and water can you bring with you? On the road with a million starving thirsty people isn’t exactly a stroll through Central Park

Obviously people will try, but to make it sound like it an easy feat, is ignoring the reality for a lot of these people.


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I don't think you appreciate how insane of an event a million person march would be without power, water, or food, across a river valley with barely serviceable bridges, in less than 24 hours.

Moving them in a month with full logistics would be a herculean task on par with anything humans have ever done. As it stands, stay or leave is a death sentence for the majority.


i chose my words intentionally. frying pan vs fire.

food, water, etc wont mean much when the IDF rolls into town. this evacuation tagets gaza city, if a refugee shelter is established it wont be in gaza city. it will be near or at the coast. the chances of distributing any food in gaza city 12 hours from now are zero. the IDF is going to literally turn it into dust, they will demolish the entire city to destroy the tunnels underneath it.

none of what i said presumes its easy street on the road, but its still a better option than sheltering in place. i stand by that until i see israeli action that suggests otherwise.

IF israel gave 4-5 days to evac i might agree, wait and see where is safer, wait and see where a camp pops up, take time to pack, etc. these people are on the clock with an army of 300k angry jews, many of them reservists, encroaching.

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i chose my words intentionally. frying pan vs fire.

food, water, etc wont mean much when the IDF rolls into town. this evacuation tagets gaza city, if a refugee shelter is established it wont be in gaza city. it will be near or at the coast. the chances of distributing any food in gaza city 12 hours from now are zero. the IDF is going to literally turn it into dust, they will demolish the entire city to destroy the tunnels underneath it.

none of what i said presumes its easy street on the road, but its still a better option than sheltering in place. i stand by that until i see israeli action that suggests otherwise.


As long as you acknowledge Israel is effectively sentencing a million people to death I guess?

I don't see a good reason to call either safer, especially if you're on the ground right now having to make the decision.
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As long as you acknowledge Israel is effectively sentencing a million people to death I guess?

I don't see a good reason to call either safer, especially if you're on the ground right now having to make the decision.


this seems illogical to me.

gazans believe, rightfully so, that absolute death and destruction is headed for Gaza city. israel, who's bringing the death, says "leave or you'll prob die by our hand, we're moving in, here's a map of where not to be".

and "they likely wont have food and water there" is equally unsafe?

nowhere in all of gaza now is "safe", but no where is as "unsafe" as gaza city now. the stated plan is to level the entire city and destroy the tunnels underneath. the city itself is basically Pompeii right now.
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