John Kelly went full retard.

no flame sir ty

have nice day

This post was edited by JohnMiller92 on Nov 1 2017 08:03pm

John Kelly accused a woman of giving a self-congratulatory speech at an FBI building dedication ceremony commemorating slain officers as she related a story at great length of how she jumped through hoops to securing millions in funding for the building, tooting her own horn
It turned out she actually had given a self-congratulatory speech at an FBI building dedication ceremony commemorating slain officers as she related a story at great length of how she jumped through hoops to rename the building, tooting her own horn

In a time and age with an honest media, everyone would brush off the inconsistency and say "oh yeah it was 2 years ago, he remembered one minute detail wrong, who gives a shit, that's part of the human condition"
In this day and age, they formed a lynch mob

I am referring to his suggestion that the United States should have negotiated on slavery to prevent the Civil War.

And they absolutely should have. Desperate attempts by cooler heads to avert a war failed and lack of compromise resulted in a million deaths and a deep cultural wound.
The history of the lead-up to the civil war was one of multiple failed compromises and backfired attempts at resolution as the nation delved into violent schism
How utterly fucked up is society today where someone is being unironically attacked in the media for suggesting a peaceful resolution to our nation's darkest hour would have been better than a long bloody conflict.

I think the outrage has more to do with the assertion that a million white lives who perished to stop an atrocity is both worth more and is more worthy of consideration than the lives of the 11 million African slaves who were imported here or the 4 million who were alive at the beginning of the Civil War. Claiming that negotiating to save a million white lives would have been preferable to ending an industry that lead to many more millions perishing in chains is an incredibly racist claim.

This post was edited by inkanddagger on Nov 2 2017 12:51am

Trump chief of staff's Civil War comment sparks criticism

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-kelly/trump-chief-of-staffs-civil-war-comment-sparks-criticism-idUSKBN1D01WF


As far as I can tell, the ONLY people trying to keep the friction alive are the racist ones. What exactly do angry civil rights folks want?

Do they want white folk to feel guilty about something they had no involvement in that happened 150 years ago? Wouldn't that be considered as being racist against whites?
There is no more oppression, no slavery, no injustice...why do folk keep bringing this up?

Claiming that a million people dying is preferable to peaceful resolution of a conflict is a morally repugnant statement on every level and absolutely contrary to basic humanity. The fact that you look at them as a million white lives is the racism creeping in.
If we supposedly enlightened savages today in our transitory place in human history were faced with a similar intractable humanitarian challenge, would we meet it with force of arms and devastation?
Despite everything the world has seen, do you consider ruthless slaughter and brutal conflict to be an appropriate way to resolve differences and force our morality onto others?
If so, you better be willing to nuke mecca, because guess who's perpetrating the horrors of the modern day.

I on the other hand think that we've learned the answer is peaceful compromise and growing our way out of a hole instead of digging it deeper.
If the north had struck a grand compromise with the south whereby a very generous fund was set up to industrialize the southern economy and provide an alternative framework to the both cultural and economic dependence on slavery, and the federalists agreed to respect state sovereignty within the union, all while phasing out slavery over time by eliminating the demand for slaves- would that have been unimaginable? Would a few decades of dwindling slavery been preferable to a catastrophic conflict, a million deaths and the brutalities of reconstruction?

This post was edited by Goomshill on Nov 2 2017 01:19am

There’s no more oppression or injustice??

To be blunt, the Southerners who died deserved it. I will trade a million racist lives for 4 million slaves any day. I also think we spend too much on the general military and not enough on assassination task forces to take out the leaders of our enemy nations. Had the North been able to assassinate 40 or so Southern leaders the whole South would have fallen. This should be how we handle world affairs. Minimize civilian casualties and destroy the neighborhoods of the wealthy and the politicians until the people have no leaders and must be lead by a regent until they can form a government.