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Sep 13 2025 11:46am
Seems like British are waking up


You mean to the Palestinians that Israel want in England and not Palestine?
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Sep 13 2025 12:11pm
I promised Israel wont take more land, I didnt promise Israel wont take more if attacked.


Lebensraum? Glorious.

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Lebensraum? Glorious.


stop being trite. Israel wants Piece.

a Piece of Palestine, a Piece of Lebanon, a Piece of Syria, a Piece of Jordan...

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Hamas and Israel are both the problem
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Yet another genocide accussation.

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Sep 16 2025 06:25am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE3O0ltjk48

Yet another genocide accussation.


LoL those two 🤦🤦🤦
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Nothing constructive to say about the interview i take it. They must be hamas supporters right?

Here's a full link to the report if anyone is interested in some absolutely horrific reading.

https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/sessions-regular/session60/advance-version/a-hrc-60-crp-3.pdf
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Sep 16 2025 12:16pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE3O0ltjk48

Yet another genocide accussation.


fake news

oh crap, someone already said that, doh! crap! well i wont be the 2nd (i subscribe to tit for tat, not overwhelming force). hm hm ill go read that thanks Doc.
Ill dump my observations of that here later, if i get a chance, i still need to write a blurb on Netanyahu.

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Sep 16 2025 01:36pm
some nuggets:

1. (page 8) The Commission notes with alarm a report that finds, as of May 2025, Israeli intelligence officials have listed 8,900 militants from Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad in Gaza as dead or probably dead. Considering, at this point, 53,000 Palestinians had been killed by Israeli attacks, it means that 83 percent of those killed in Gaza were civilians.
2. (page 8) The number of bombs used by Israel since 7 October 2023 is extraordinary even in comparison to other world conflicts. One military expert said, “Israel is dropping in less than a week what the United States was dropping in Afghanistan in a year, in a much smaller, much more densely populated area”.

To be honest there are no surprises so far. nothing we have not already covered, I am just happy that they threw these nuggets in, noting we had discussed these previously in the thread.

3. (page 9) attacks against healthcare facilities directly resulted in the killing of civilians, including children and pregnant women, who were receiving treatment or seeking shelter. Furthermore, due to the absence of crucial medical care, many injured Palestinians who were able to access a hospital still succumbed to their injuries.

This one is one of the key pillars for determination re: genocide. They really do not like it when a country kills babies, preventing life.

4. (page 9) Importantly, in relation to the targeting of Palestinians along evacuation routes and in safe zones, the Commission found that Palestinians, including women and children, were directly targeted and killed, even in the absence of hostilities in the vicinity and when they were by themselves

This one is the whole Israeli warning shots narrative. As I understand it a "warning shot" in Israeli language means anything other then a head shot. Again this was also discussed in this thread and we included multiple Israeli (IDF) references to this.

5. (Page 9 and 10) They mentioned what happened to Layan Hamada. no need to go into that one, everyone knows that gruesome story.
6. (Page 10) They noted GHF was not responsible for the shooting ducks in a barrel episodes to and from the aid stations - these were done by the IDF, not the GHF. no surprises here.
7. (Page 12-throughout) Deliberate targeting of medical personel and buildings. This is one of the major problems. Also the whole lets bury the ambulances went down like a lead balloon (no surprises here). This one is throughout the report. a big no no.
8. (Page 15) Wide impact munitions. Ye the US figured this was a big no no but too little too late.
9. (Page 20) the invisible line in the sand, ill skip this.
10. (Page 21) the Sde Teiman military detention centre mass torture, moving swiftly on...
11. (Page 22) not posting this one, you can read it yourself
12. (Page 24) forced transfer aka ethnic cleansing...
13. (Page 27) collective punishment, pretty dumb on Israel's part, telling the world exactly what they were going to do but here we are
14. (Page 34) mass displacement, no surprises
15. (Page 35-40) Stopping Aid
16. (Page 41) UNRWA staff being killed

The analysis and conclusion starts on page 44. definitions and what not. it also does a checklist of the each of the conditions met to support the ultimate conclusion of genocide. pretty basic stuff.

pages 51-54 are all the lovely quotes from the Israeli's outlining what they were going to do and what they did. So helpful.

The one thing throughout the report is the complete and total systemic collective punishment and comprehensiveness of the Israeli action. Taken in isolation the incidents are bad, or horrifying, but taken all together its a very very damning report.

The conclusion to the report (note i asked chatgpt to fix the spacing for me):

Conclusions

251. The Commission’s analysis in this report relates solely to the determination of genocide under the Genocide Convention as it relates to the responsibility of the State of Israel for the failure to prevent genocide, for committing genocide against the Palestinians in Gaza since October 2023, and for the failure to punish genocide.

The Commission also notes that, while its analysis is limited to the Palestinians specifically in Gaza during the period since 7 October 2023, it nevertheless raises the serious concern that the specific intent to destroy the Palestinians as a whole has extended to the rest of the occupied Palestinian territory — that is, the West Bank, including East Jerusalem — based on Israeli authorities’ and Israeli security forces’ actions therein, and to the period before 7 October 2023.

The events in Gaza since 7 October 2023 have not occurred in isolation. They were preceded by decades of unlawful occupation and repression under an ideology requiring the removal of the Palestinian population from their lands and its replacement.

252. The Commission concludes on reasonable grounds that the Israeli authorities and Israeli security forces have committed and are continuing to commit the following actus reus of genocide against the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip:

(i) killing members of the group;

(ii) causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

(iii) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; and

(iv) imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group.

253. On incitement to genocide, the Commission concludes that Israeli President Isaac Herzog, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and then Defence Minister Yoav Gallant have incited the commission of genocide, and that Israeli authorities have failed to take action against them to punish this incitement.

The Commission has not fully assessed statements by other Israeli political and military leaders, including Minister for National Security Itamar Ben-Gvir and Minister for Finance Bezalel Smotrich, and considers that they too should be assessed to determine whether they constitute incitement to commit genocide.

254. On the mens rea of genocide, the Commission concludes that statements made by Israeli authorities are direct evidence of genocidal intent. In addition, the Commission concludes that the pattern of conduct is circumstantial evidence of genocidal intent, and that genocidal intent was the only reasonable inference that could be drawn from the totality of the evidence.

Thus, the Commission concludes that the Israeli authorities and Israeli security forces have had and continue to have the genocidal intent to destroy, in whole or in part, the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.

255. The Commission concludes that the State of Israel bears responsibility for the failure to prevent genocide, the commission of genocide, and the failure to punish genocide against the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.

VIII. Recommendations

256. The Commission recommends that the Government of Israel:
(a) Immediately end the commission of genocide in the Gaza Strip and comply fully with the provisional measures of the International Court of Justice in its orders of 26 January, 28 March and 24 May 2024;
(b) Immediately implement a complete permanent ceasefire in Gaza and end all military operations in the occupied Palestinian territory that involve the commission of genocidal acts;
(c) Restore, allow and ensure unhindered access of all United Nations staff, including UNRWA international staff, and all international agencies coordinating or providing humanitarian aid in the occupied Palestinian territory, including East Jerusalem;
(d) Immediately end its policy on starvation and end the distribution of food aid through the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation;
(e) Ensure full, unimpeded access of humanitarian aid at scale and through multiple distribution points throughout the Gaza Strip, including food, clean water, medical equipment and medicine to all areas of Gaza through a UN-led humanitarian response;
(f) Allow, facilitate and ensure unhindered medical evacuation of Palestinians from Gaza to third States;
(g) Allow, facilitate and ensure the unhindered access to Gaza by emergency medical teams;
(h) Allow the Commission access to Israel and the occupied Palestinian territory, including East Jerusalem, to continue its investigations;
(i) Investigate and punish the commission of genocide and incitement to genocide against the Palestinian population in the Gaza Strip.

257. The Commission recommends that all Member States:
(a) Employ all means reasonably available to them to prevent the commission of genocide in the Gaza Strip;
(b) Cease the transfer of arms and other equipment or items, including jet fuel, to the State of Israel or third States where there is reason to suspect their use in military operations that have involved or could involve the commission of genocide;
(c) Ensure individuals and corporations in their territories and within their jurisdiction are not involved in the commission of genocide, aiding and assisting the commission of genocide, or incitement to commit genocide, and investigate and prosecute those who may be implicated in these crimes under international law;
(d) Facilitate investigations and domestic proceedings, and take action (including imposing sanctions) against the State of Israel and against individuals or corporations that are involved in or facilitating the commission of genocide or incitement to commit genocide;
(e) Cooperate with the investigation of the Office of the Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court.

258. The Commission recommends that the Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court:
(a) Examine, within its continuing investigation in the Situation in the State of Palestine, the crime of genocide for amendment to existing arrest warrants and addition to future applications for arrest warrants;
(b) Examine the involvement of officials mentioned in this report for inclusion as those most responsible for international crimes committed in the occupied Palestinian territory.

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