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My favorite is the look on Reagan's face. You know it would be a good party, especially after TR started doing shots of whiskey.

Our presidential history is greater than any line of kings.


Easier to get some greats in there when there's a new president every 4/8 years. Kings tend to rule for longer.

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Feb 14 2015 12:08pm
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Easier to get some greats in there when there's a new president every 4/8 years. Kings tend to rule for longer.


And considering social relations were fixed during feudal times they hardly did anything at all. Every 5th king would have some battle where the armies never really fought each other full on because to do so would risk having your army routed and more or less gone after that point. Just make sure none of your lords get too big for their britches by making them fight amongst themselves for land constantly while the peasants are busy growing you food for some kickbacks. If you really had to go to a big dog war, you just borrow money from merchants you will never pay back and pay soldiers to go around posturing for you.

Our line is presidents is more powerful and dynamic precisely because social relations are unfixed and they are picked somewhat on merit rather than magical blood allowing them to arbitrate the intrinsic natural law of the universe, which the Earth is at the center of.
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Feb 14 2015 12:10pm
ssssoooo why do politics and presidents matter in general...?? I'm no genious or expert on either of the subjects, but they both just seem kinda, you know meaningless in my eyes, or i cojuld be completely wrong and just full of shit
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Feb 14 2015 12:12pm
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ssssoooo why do politics and presidents matter in general...?? I'm no genious or expert on either of the subjects, but they both just seem kinda, you know meaningless in my eyes, or i cojuld be completely wrong and just full of shit


Politics is the art if distributing power in any given society or collective body outside of the interpersonal zone. In case you didn't know. And I'm not sure what is more important than power.
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Politics is the art if distributing power in any given society or collective body outside of the interpersonal zone. In case you didn't know. And I'm not sure what is more important than power.


knowledge, because with knowledge you realize that nobody really NEEDS power, we just crave it because we are frickle, maybe??
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Feb 14 2015 12:16pm
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knowledge, because with knowledge you realize that nobody really NEEDS power, we just crave it because we are frickle, maybe??


"There goes my people, I must follow them for I am there leader"
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Feb 14 2015 12:22pm
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knowledge, because with knowledge you realize that nobody really NEEDS power, we just crave it because we are frickle, maybe??


Keen insight :)

What is considered knowledge is fundamentally an issue of power. In a world where truth is relative, power is what determines what is true. Even all science and other areas of human mental activity (art, literary criticism, social sciences) reflect a particular set of values, norms, behaviors, etc, that are all dictated by power within society and the zeitgeist of the day....this is called a paradigm, and paradigms change with the development of power and politics. Not that politics control that, it is just part of it and where a lot of the conversation plays out.

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Keen insight :)

What is considered knowledge is fundamentally an issue of power. In a world where truth is relative, power is what determines what is true. Even all science and other areas of human mental activity (art, literary criticism, social sciences) reflect a particular set of values, norms, behaviors, etc, that are all dictated by power within society and the zeitgeist of the day....this is called a paradigm, and paradigms change with the development of power and politics.


ooohh, that gave me chills a lil when you said "power what determines what is true" gave me bloody goosebumps man :)! Like when that happens, means its the truth in my reality, or i'm full of shit who knows.... ahhh, so that would also explain why we are so declined in the arts these days, philosophy, and different norms of thinking because its out of the power balance, people are afraid of the norm, and they don't want us thinking for ourselves and realizing "hey, shit is REALLY jacked up and everything i've been taught my whole life or i think is real is just a kindergarten story"
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Quote (Skinned @ Feb 14 2015 06:22pm)
Keen insight :)

What is considered knowledge is fundamentally an issue of power. In a world where truth is relative, power is what determines what is true. Even all science and other areas of human mental activity (art, literary criticism, social sciences) reflect a particular set of values, norms, behaviors, etc, that are all dictated by power within society and the zeitgeist of the day....this is called a paradigm, and paradigms change with the development of power and politics. Not that politics control that, it is just part of it and where a lot of the conversation plays out.


I always liked this bit from A Song of Ice and Fire concerning power.

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“Oh, I think not,” Varys said, swirling the wine in his cup. “Power is a curious thing, my lord. Perchance you have considered the riddle I posed you that day in the inn?”
“It has crossed my mind a time or to,” Tyrion admitted. “The king, the priest, the rich man—who lives and who dies? Who will the swordsman obey? It’s a riddle without an answer, or rather, two many answers. All depends on the man with the sword.”
“And yet he is no one,” Varys said. “He has neither crown nor gold nor favor of the gods, only a piece of pointed steel.”
“That piece of steel is the power of life and death.”
“Just so…yet if it is the swordsmen who rule us in truth, who do we pretend our kings hold the power? Why should a strong man with a sword ever obey a child king like Joffrey, or a wine-sodden oaf like his father?”
“Because these child kings and drunken oafs can call other strong men, with other swords.”
“Then these other swordsmen have the true power. Or do they?” Varys smiled. “Some say knowledge is power. Some tell us that all power comes from the gods. Others say it derives from law. Yet that day on the steps of Baelor’s Sept, our godly High Septon and the lawful Queen Regent and your ever-so-knowledgeable servant were as powerless as any cobbler or cooper in the crowd. Who truly killed Eddard Stark, do you think? Joffrey, who gave the command? Ser Ilyn Payne, who swung the sword? Or…another?”
Tyrion cocked his head sideways. “Did you mean to answer your damned riddle, or only to make my head ache worse?”
Varys smiled. “Here, then. Power resides where men believe it resides. No more and no less.”
“So power is a mummer’s trick?”
“A shadow on the wall,” Varys murmured, “yet shadows can kill. And ofttimes a very small man can cast a very large shadow.”
Tyrion smiled. “Lord Varyls, I am growing strangely fond of you. I may kill you yet, but I think I’d feel sad about it.”
“I will take that as high praise.”
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Feb 14 2015 12:39pm
Quote (Edeltis @ Feb 14 2015 01:24pm)
ooohh, that gave me chills a lil when you said "power what determines what is true" gave me bloody goosebumps man :)! Like when that happens, means its the truth in my reality, or i'm full of shit who knows.... ahhh, so that would also explain why we are so declined in the arts these days, philosophy, and different norms of thinking because its out of the power balance, people are afraid of the norm, and they don't want us thinking for ourselves and realizing "hey, shit is REALLY jacked up and everything i've been taught my whole life or i think is real is just a kindergarten story"


It isn't out of any grand conspiracy....it is because music, art, philosophy, and other important forms of mental activity aren't considered as important as the Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math disciplines, and people want to spend focus more on that than anything else. This goes into the cultural values, norm, behaviors of the day, which value profit at the expense of humanity....our ethics of mild hedonism and being yourself and being happy is rooted in the consumerist and material culture, no matter how we paint it as individuals....and we are just doing it.

The sociological price of this is that now art programs, music programs, sports, access to literature books, etc, are restricted in the lower half of our public schools which leads to a positive feedback loop into complete nihilism and dejection in the part of society that cannot afford to have access to art, music, sports, literature, and because of this positive feedback loop, no male role models, no economic hope, nothing but tasting the crumbs of the trickledown while people above you on the social ladder blame you for your poverty of philosophy and culture. Meanwhile the arts, music, literature, philosophy, culture are reserved for those who can send their kids to private schools who know the value of a well-rounded liberal arts programs along with the value of creativity and confidence, because they are the managing class, while the lower end of socialization, as described before, is designed structurally not to be creative or confident. Every now and again exceptional individuals come about despite the sociological pressures against him or her, but the average person just languishes.

But there is no teleological goal in mind for why we do what we do...it is something that is just way out of our control I think. I mean I literally can't help but think, interact, and comprehend symbols except the way I do, and communication by definition is an exchange of symbols.

I'm getting pretty deep into my personal philosophy at this point, it is pre-work for an essay to apply for a grad school fellowship :thumbsup: Kind of mentally exercising here before I do some real writing.

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I always liked this bit from A Song of Ice and Fire concerning power.


That is great!

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