did we brexit yet or should i take a nap?

UK voters should make final Brexit decision if talks with EU collapse: poll

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-vote/uk-voters-should-make-final-brexit-decision-if-talks-with-eu-collapse-poll-idUSKBN1KU2QN





Wow, those "stay" folk just aren't gonna give up until they get another referendum.

If there is no deal it would be objectively catastrophic in almost every quantifiable metric. People voted to leave and get a free trade deal or arrangement with the EU, so if our politicians fail to do that we need to go back to the drawing board.

I don't think either statement is true. The UK did fine before there was and EU, and there was no talk of deals when they voted to leave.

“Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?”

where is the part about the 'free trade deal'? the leave campaign promised plenty of things that weren't even remotely realistic, so how do you come to the conclusion that a free trade deal is the one thing brexiteers assumed was part of 'leaving the EU'? given the surveys and polls from after the referendum, it's rather unlikely that the majority of people even had a clear idea what either scenario actually entailed...

Your overly simplistic analysis isn't surprising, totally ignoring the context of the pre-referendum campaign trail and multiple televised debates. As the referendum question was going to be vague there was an emphasis on striking a free trade deal with the EU and other countries; even Boris and Hannan advocated for an EEA Norway style model at the time.

This post was edited by dro94 on Aug 10 2018 01:22pm

there was 'an emphasis' on many things, and i specifically pointed out that plenty of promises were made, many of which weren't even remotely realistic - so you will have to go for a different approach ad homming me in order to avoid the question how you figure that the 'free trade deal' was the one that was implied and understood like that by all the leave voters - because the evidence suggests otherwise.

why don't we stick to the facts and drop the personal attacks? baselessly overinterpeting the motivation of a little more than half of the voters in the referendum isn't really helpful.

which part was the inexcusable ad hom personal attack? "overly simplistic analysis isn't surprising"?

you euros really have soft sensibilities

my guess is that's just your stock response, shit like that's in your muscle memory

Please tell me how rejecting your argument due to its over simplicity is a personal attack. Are you really that sensitive darling?

Here's why it's overly simplistic - there is a difference between a promise and general accepted logic. £350m a week to the NHS was a promise and it was debunked at the time on major news broadcasters like the BBC. It's the British public's duty to keep themselves relatively informed and they mostly didn't do that.

On the other hand, general accepted logic was that in leaving the EU we would either strike a free trade deal with the EU or be partially involved like being in the EEA. Even the most staunch Remainers were arguing that our inferior bargaining power would result in an unfavourable deal, not no deal. In short, no deal wasn't even part of the mainstream conversation.

When a dog's been whipped his whole life he'll shiver and urinate at the very sight of a lash, or sound resembling the whip. fender's now so deep into his own victimization he's adding in those "please stop attacking me as a person" responses into every post.