republican congresswoman who used IVF HERSELF, wants to ban IVF for everyone!

this is the republican ethos in a nutshell, "I got mine so fuck everyone else!"

hypocrisy manifest


https://newrepublic.com/post/179264/republican-congresswoman-michelle-steel-hypocrisy-alabama-ivf-ruling

haha you dont get to have IVF

The ruling grants personhood (duh) to embryos and holds doctors liable if they mishandle and kill the embryos.

Hur de durrrrr they errrr burrrnerng IVF durrrrrrrrrr.


You guys are fucking retarded.

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This post was edited by YeeHaw on Feb 27 2024 03:50pm

yeah cause IVF has 100% success rate, right? fucking braindead unedcuated hogs trying to act like they know anything about IVF or biology. get out of your trailer park

Scumbag retard. Give me the suspension these are evil pieces of fucking garbage trying to tell me anything like the words on my screen are going to bring upon some sort of retard epiphany.

You got me dude, I get what you are trying to convey and I too, am now fucking retarded. Go government elites! Team corporation!


Funny thing is I do live in a trailer park. You’d shit yourself knowing how many “uneducated hogs” have the luxury of living in $100,000 fifth wheels while on location. Scumbag

This post was edited by YeeHaw on Feb 27 2024 06:18pm

Huh? Perhaps you can correct my understanding of the issue here:

To the best of my understanding, Alabama has decided that embryos are viable people, and that the intentional destruction of those embryos is murder.

How does that prevent IVF? Like, I don't see where you're drawing that line. Instead, it means that Fertility Clinics cannot simply destroy embryos willy nilly, nor can they use them for medical experimentation.

I don't really have an opinion regarding the Act the article mentions, other than pointing out that claims it would "ban" IVF are simply false. Not all embryos become babies. Just like not all pregnant women give birth to a living child. That's not a thing. However, banning the willful, intentional destruction or experimentation on embryos, most especially without notifying the people those embryos belong to, doesn't seem extreme at all. Like, what's the issue here? Perhaps you can help make it make sense.

Keeping in mind I'm not and have never been a Republican, or a Democrat. I'm not interested in partisan lines. Just a bit more information on why you think that her position that "doctors" shouldn't be able to destroy embryos is inconsistent with her support for IVF.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Feb 27 2024 06:25pm

it means the above, yes but there is no distinction re: the destruction of the embryo. fertility clinics can be held criminally liable for the destruction of the embryo whether it is intentional or not, meaning that if the IVF treatment fails (which it does around 60% of the time) doctors and medical facilities can still be sued/held legally liable in a wrongful death suit. this is why myriad IVF clinics and doctors in Alabama are no longer offering the service. it seems that some lawmakers in the state are introducing a bill to protect medical providers in case of accidents

https://legiscan.com/AL/text/SB159/id/2942271

You seem to be indicating that doctors are being convicted for IVF failing, which is outside of their control. Has this happened, even a single time?

Also, I'm definitely not a fan of the bill you posted, here's why:



So the act has to be both intentional AND not arising from or related to IVF services? Any handling of an embryo at all is related to IVF services. That simply gives blanket immunity for pretty much everything. Why would any rational person support that?

I'd rather wait out some case law to see if frivolous lawsuits arise where patients are "blaming" doctors for an embryo failing when all good faith measures were taken. I suspect precedent would protect the doctors pretty fast from anything other than intentional destruction of embryos. To try to "protect" doctors by providing blanket immunity, enabling them to do whatever the fuck they want is pretty stupid.

You know why this issue is even a thing, right? Lot of women, especially prior to cancer treatments or whatnot that will make them permanently infertile, have their ovum frozen or have them fertilized and the embryo frozen so that even though they themselves may no longer be capable of giving birth, they can use surrogacy if they find a willing donor to still have a child later. A whole shit ton of embryos and ovum went "missing" without their respective "owners" (who pay a FUCKTON of money for that service, btw) even being notified. Most lawsuits arising from "embryos gone missing" that I've seen have been perfectly valid. Person pays a shit ton of money for their embryo to be stored, and the clinic just tosses the shit in the trash like, "Oh, they'll never want to use it." Um... Excuse me? That violates the most basic consumer protection laws.

remeber when you got 10% for a post that was crying at me for getting 10%?

better calm down there oinky oinky hoggy boy

I didnt indicate that, thats actually what the Alabama Supreme Court opened up with its ruling last week. doctors and facilities are acting preemptively which they absolutely should unless they want to lose millions of dollars and/or face serious jail time, possibly life in prison



so you think cases like this one

https://www.lieffcabraser.com/2024/02/couple-whose-embryos-were-destroyed-by-defective-ivf-product-seek-justice-against-manufacturer-coopersurgical/

should be tried criminally even though it was entirely accidental? think about the implications. Im all for holding corporations and doctors accountable , especially if they have a history of safety lapses, but it is certifiably insane to think charging doctors with manslaughter or worse over IVF accidents is any form of 'justice'. its insane christo-fascism