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Mar 8 2023 04:52pm
Quote (gnarjay @ Mar 8 2023 10:55am)
following this logic, if the mother dies due to complications during childbirth, shouldn't the baby be charged with murder upon being born?


.......cheeet thats some high brain thor chit ..............
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Mar 8 2023 04:59pm
Quote (Sioux @ Mar 8 2023 01:31pm)
Big mad

Also who calls a rambling mess of inconsistency a "Well together projection". I've seen middle schoolers articulate themselves better.



Here we have yet just another of what is now hundreds of examples of you having absolutely zero rebuttal and resorting to personal attacks. You are still absolutely useless here.
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Mar 8 2023 06:44pm
Quote (YeeHaw @ Mar 8 2023 02:59pm)
Here we have yet just another of what is now hundreds of examples of you having absolutely zero rebuttal and resorting to personal attacks. You are still absolutely useless here.


You're an idiot who even if proven wrong, won't be smart enough to understand it, but here lets try.

Quote (YeeHaw @ Mar 8 2023 03:13am)
“Child marriage” almost exclusively pertains to older teens marrying younger teens. If you had any sense of credibility, this would not even have been brought up.


Only 12% of child marriages in the US between 2000-2008 were between two minors. 78% were a minor girl marrying an adult man. There were 5 10 year old girls who were married in that time span. https://www.unchainedatlast.org/child-marriage-shocking-statistics/

Quote (YeeHaw @ Mar 8 2023 03:13am)
I have no clue about boob jobs for minors but you have brought no receipts to explain yourself. I am willing to bet my life this isn’t a left-right thing where somehow the democrats (at I am guessing state level somewhere? Again you brought no receipts simply linking in all republicans to what is likely just a few on a state legislature) are against plastic surgeries for kids all of the sudden?


A simple google search would have sufficied here for you to realize you're an idiot: https://www.newsweek.com/west-virginia-republicans-vote-against-banning-breast-enlargement-teenagers-1778730 https://www.commondreams.org/news/utah-transgender-healthcare

Quote (YeeHaw @ Mar 8 2023 03:13am)
You are consistently disingenuous.


Pot meet kettle

Quote (YeeHaw @ Mar 8 2023 03:13am)
The “child marriage” thing is an extremely disingenuous argument which again pertains almost 100% to teenagers marrying each other in I believe Wyoming, okay? Correct me if this was Montana or something but you are being disingenuous attempting to say all republicans are backwards child molesters or some insane bullshit like that.


Again, wrong.

Quote (YeeHaw @ Mar 8 2023 03:13am)
You know what you are doing.


Every time I bring things up, for example we are in an abortion thread, okay? When I say democrats want abortion for any reason until the moment of birth I am extremely clear this is the law in Colorado already, and democrats have brought bills to enshrine Colorado style abortion law on the federal level.

I never say all democrats want to abort babies anytime anywhere. That is disingenuous.

When I say there are politicians that support infanticide that is because there actually are democrat politicians on tape saying they support infanticide. This was famously brought to light a few years ago in Virginia where there was a huge debate over “babies born alive” where some were in favor of leaving the live child to die with no medical intervention.

These are facts which pertain to my argument, and I am clear on important details.

Try getting on that level dude.


The VAST majority of abortions in the US happen before 5 months. The remaining 1% that happen after the second trimester are generally a case where a fetal abnormality incompatible with life is identified, or the life of the mother is danger. The government has no business inside the doctors office where women, their family and their doctors are making hard, painful decisions.

Get fucked ethan.
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Mar 8 2023 07:19pm
Quote (Sioux @ Mar 8 2023 06:44pm)
You're an idiot who even if proven wrong, won't be smart enough to understand it, but here lets try.



Only 12% of child marriages in the US between 2000-2008 were between two minors. 78% were a minor girl marrying an adult man. There were 5 10 year old girls who were married in that time span. https://www.unchainedatlast.org/child-marriage-shocking-statistics/



A simple google search would have sufficied here for you to realize you're an idiot: https://www.newsweek.com/west-virginia-republicans-vote-against-banning-breast-enlargement-teenagers-1778730 https://www.commondreams.org/news/utah-transgender-healthcare



Pot meet kettle



Again, wrong.



The VAST majority of abortions in the US happen before 5 months. The remaining 1% that happen after the second trimester are generally a case where a fetal abnormality incompatible with life is identified, or the life of the mother is danger. The government has no business inside the doctors office where women, their family and their doctors are making hard, painful decisions.

Get fucked ethan.



Child, you are not even responding to what the fuck I said. I said older teens marrying younger teens. I didn’t say minors. You know exactly what that means, that means 18,19, maybe 20. Teens are considered adults. Unlike you I will not accuse you of being that fucking stupid.

Again, you are consistently extremely disingenuous.

I was correct the boob job thing was some state reps in fucking Utah of all places. Cool I guessed it perfectly didn’t even have to look it up. Oh and you pulled a Newsweek article that mentions the republicans voted against an amendment to the bill and never provides the amendment in its entirety. Oh, wow super credible.


You are also responding to things I was not even talking about on the abortion topic. I said specifically what certain politicians say, and what actual laws on the books right now in the US are.

Your response is with some sort of statistic that has literally nothing to do with what I said.

Again, extremely disingenuous.




Here is a “rage essay” about how you did not prove me wrong one single time. Disingenuous fuck.
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Mar 8 2023 07:21pm
Quote (YeeHaw @ Mar 8 2023 05:19pm)
Child, you are not even responding to what the fuck I said. I said older teens marrying younger teens. I didn’t say minors. You know exactly what that means, that means 18,19, maybe 20. Teens are considered adults. Unlike you I will not accuse you of being that fucking stupid.

Again, you are consistently extremely disingenuous.

I was correct the boob job thing was some state reps in fucking Utah of all places. Cool I guessed it perfectly didn’t even have to look it up. Oh and you pulled a Newsweek article that mentions the republicans voted against an amendment to the bill and never provides the amendment in its entirety. Oh, wow super credible.


You are also responding to things I was not even talking about on the abortion topic. I said specifically what certain politicians say, and what actual laws on the books right now in the US are.

Your response is with some sort of statistic that has literally nothing to do with what I said.

Again, extremely disingenuous.




Here is a “rage essay” about how you did not prove me wrong one single time. Disingenuous fuck.


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Mar 8 2023 07:24pm
Quote (Sioux @ Mar 8 2023 07:21pm)
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Yes, child. You are having a conversation with a grown man. You prove with every reply to me how much of a disingenuous fucking child you are.



Read what you said to me, and what you were responding to.

Then read my response to that.



Fucking child.
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Mar 8 2023 07:25pm
Quote (YeeHaw @ Mar 8 2023 05:24pm)
Yes, child. You are having a conversation with a grown man. You prove with every reply to me how much of a disingenuous fucking child you are.



Read what you said to me, and what you were responding to.

Then read my response to that.



Fucking child.


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Mar 8 2023 07:36pm
Quote (Sioux @ Mar 8 2023 07:25pm)
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:blink:

:rofl:

Have a terrible night.
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Mar 8 2023 10:54pm
Quote (dro94 @ Mar 8 2023 01:15pm)
The baby being inside your body isn't really relevant when it comes to 'is this a baby or not', and if the answer is yes, you are, by definition, murdering it. It's very simple and one does not have to be religious or right wing to see it.


The question that comes to mind that if it is indeed a simple conclusion that "abortion = murder", do you think that we should treat it as murder? If yes, I pose the following:

If I made my intention clear to murder someone, law enforcement would proactively seek to intervene up to the point of physically restraining me once that intention is made clear. So, if someone makes it clear that they intend to abort their pregnancy, and we live in a world where abortion is treated as murder, what do you propose we do? This, to me, is the crux of the debate as pro-life individuals end up spending a majority of the debate arguing the moral/ethical merits (understandably) without articulating the practical application of their view.

This post was edited by Handcuffs on Mar 8 2023 10:56pm
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Quote (Handcuffs @ Mar 9 2023 04:54am)
The question that comes to mind that if it is indeed a simple conclusion that "abortion = murder", do you think that we should treat it as murder? If yes, I pose the following:

If I made my intention clear to murder someone, law enforcement would proactively seek to intervene up to the point of physically restraining me once that intention is made clear. So, if someone makes it clear that they intend to abort their pregnancy, and we live in a world where abortion is treated as murder, what do you propose we do? This, to me, is the crux of the debate as pro-life individuals end up spending a majority of the debate arguing the moral/ethical merits (understandably) without articulating the practical application of their view.




I'd rather the government make contraception free and readily available for everyone, and then either reduce the number of weeks allowed or outlaw abortion altogether. Invest heavily in orphanages and foster care services to take in babies from disadvantaged backgrounds, whose parents would have aborted them for economic reasons. If the state does this, they're ensuring that no one has a (subjectively) good reason to have an abortion, unless the mother's life is in danger or there are serious health defects present.

Then I think practically you could impose harsh sentences on those who still try to get illegal abortions.
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