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Feb 16 2023 03:18pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ Feb 16 2023 03:15pm)
So no regulations needed ?


MANY regulations needed, so that when people get lax the companies are heavily fined. thus preventing them from getting lax.
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MANY regulations needed, so that when people get lax the companies are heavily fined. thus preventing them from getting lax.


This. Slaps on the wrist do nothing to make corporations do the right thing when it comes to safety.
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Feb 16 2023 03:28pm
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This. Slaps on the wrist do nothing to make corporations do the right thing when it comes to safety.


OSHA so deep inside they know what they had for lunch.
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Feb 16 2023 03:29pm
Quote (thesnipa @ 16 Feb 2023 22:18)
MANY regulations needed, so that when people get lax the companies are heavily fined. thus preventing them from getting lax.


Quote (Surfpunk @ 16 Feb 2023 22:22)
This. Slaps on the wrist do nothing to make corporations do the right thing when it comes to safety.


Yep... And now...


There are five main railway risks:

- derailment: incident or accident in which a railway vehicle leaves the tracks, totally or partially and whose origin can be various (damage to rolling stock or infrastructure, excessive speed, etc.);
- nose to nose: frontal collision between two trains;
- overtaking: rear-end collision when a train hits another train in front of it;
- Side-swing: side collision between two trains which occurs at an intersection or at a junction of tracks;
- collision with an obstacle (rockslide on the track, road vehicle present on a level crossing, etc.).

These risks can be controlled by:

- the application of infrastructure and vehicle design rules such that an anomaly alone never leads to a dangerous situation;
- the implementation of appropriate infrastructure and vehicle maintenance rules;
- strict application of security rules and procedures;
- organized and reliable operational monitoring because, despite anticipation to ensure safety, operational events may occur (breakdowns, bad weather, etc.);
- the training of personnel, in particular those performing security tasks;
- the implementation of technical "catch-up loops" to compensate for human errors such as speed control systems which cause the train to stop if the authorized speed is exceeded or the automatic stop devices for trains in case of inadvertent crossing of a closed signal;
- the implementation of continuous experience feedback in order to analyze accidents and incidents in order to understand their causes with the aim of continuously improving safety.

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Feb 16 2023 03:51pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ Feb 16 2023 03:29pm)
Yep... And now...


There are five main railway risks:

- derailment: incident or accident in which a railway vehicle leaves the tracks, totally or partially and whose origin can be various (damage to rolling stock or infrastructure, excessive speed, etc.);
- nose to nose: frontal collision between two trains;
- overtaking: rear-end collision when a train hits another train in front of it;
- Side-swing: side collision between two trains which occurs at an intersection or at a junction of tracks;
- collision with an obstacle (rockslide on the track, road vehicle present on a level crossing, etc.).

These risks can be controlled by:

- the application of infrastructure and vehicle design rules such that an anomaly alone never leads to a dangerous situation;
- the implementation of appropriate infrastructure and vehicle maintenance rules;
- strict application of security rules and procedures;
- organized and reliable operational monitoring because, despite anticipation to ensure safety, operational events may occur (breakdowns, bad weather, etc.);
- the training of personnel, in particular those performing security tasks;
- the implementation of technical "catch-up loops" to compensate for human errors such as speed control systems which cause the train to stop if the authorized speed is exceeded or the automatic stop devices for trains in case of inadvertent crossing of a closed signal;
- the implementation of continuous experience feedback in order to analyze accidents and incidents in order to understand their causes with the aim of continuously improving safety.


When it comes to collisions with non-train vehicles at crossings, there's not going to be a lot of fault on the side of the rail carrier. Fixes there would involve eliminating at-grade crossings, which is going to be a local/state/federal infrastructure issue.

This post was edited by Surfpunk on Feb 16 2023 03:54pm
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When it comes to collisions with non-train vehicles at crossings, there's not going to be a lot fault on the side of the rail carrier. Fixes there would involve eliminating at-grade crossings, which is going to be a local/state/federal infrastructure issue.


Oh that for sure, here it's all about pure security, regardless of "who will be held reponsible".
I simply found a truely amazing prof. website on railway security at national, european, and international level, just decided to share it for the good fight.
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Feb 16 2023 04:06pm
Quote (thesnipa @ 16 Feb 2023 22:18)
MANY regulations needed, so that when people get lax the companies are heavily fined. thus preventing them from getting lax.


nah. i think free market competition will solve this problem. if railway companies are bad, they won't attract any customers, simple as that. regulations just hold back innovation and are entirely unnecessary, capitalism is all you need.

i mean it's not like the market has a tendency of monopolising when largely unregulated, and the resulting few competitors can then freely dictate terms, and will cut costs (actively opposing actual innovation - like pesky safety features) to maximise profits every chance they get...

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Feb 16 2023 04:18pm
water in random creeks seems totally legit

https://twitter.com/MichaelSCollura/status/1626339198407168000
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Feb 16 2023 04:33pm
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water in random creeks seems totally legit

https://twitter.com/MichaelSCollura/status/1626339198407168000


Glad to see the right start to get behind environmental protections.
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Feb 16 2023 04:44pm
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Glad to see the right start to get behind environmental protections.


Wouldn’t get your hopes up considering no one in the msm wants to even cover it and Buttgieg is minimizing it
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