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Jan 4 2023 02:01pm
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Do you not see the problem you have with rushing to dismiss things without knowing what you are talking about?


Generally sure, but you're parroting ancient talking points that are clearly wrong.

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They aren't just some lobbying group like any other.


Yeah actually they are.

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Jan 4 2023 02:03pm
A few things worth noting here. Trump is advocating for McCarthy and they still not voting for him. Another thing is that a lot of the voters don’t want McCarthy either. Which as people know if you don’t follow the leader it’s prob not a cult. Another is Trump might not understand the pulse of the Republican Party right now. I think the people want a brighter future for their party not some lawn chair that folds up when the going gets tough. The most deserving is usually the guy who doesn’t want it, which I think personally is Jim Jordan, downside to that is he won’t be on a committee he’ll be stuck in hotel rooms increasing donor dollar amounts. Republicans had months to figure this out.

Another point id like to add is liberals and democrats bashing republicans for not “having a speaker” should understand a healthy democracy. Just because you’ve voted for Pelosi or Jeffries or whoever doesn’t mean “democracy worked” it means people have fell in line like robots. I for one applaud the freedom caucus but also it’s holding up committee time, but maybe the juice is worth the squeeze. All I know is this is uncharted territory in modern times and I applaud it. I don’t know or have the answers but as an outsider this seems like a healthy democracy to me where questions are asked negotiations are happening and people want to be heard it’s not unreasonable
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Jan 4 2023 02:13pm
McCarthy is apparently down another vote for round #6, so this all appears to be another tax payer funded waste of time today.
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Jan 4 2023 02:13pm
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Generally sure, but you're parroting ancient talking points that are clearly wrong.


Yeah actually they are.


There is nothing resembling intelligent life here.

Its probably strategically advantageous for people like you to not be on my side. Carry on.
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Jan 4 2023 02:18pm
Quote (mki @ 4 Jan 2023 19:52)
Can you explain the WEF conspiracy theory? You're the second person to mention it and I don't read the QAnon stuff, so I don't know what either of you are talking about...


saying "the WEF" is just the right wing's current code for saying "the jews".

while the actual WEF is a globalist propaganda organisation with concerning ties to corrupt establishment politicians all over the world, and as such deserves criticism for its agenda and policies, the q-tarded right loves to just make up conspiracies, trying to connect it to completely unrelated issues.

that's why you will never hear any actual argument of how mccarthy is worse than all of the other corrupt and corporate owned politicians.

it's actually quite amusing, because the republican platform is basically exactly what they suggest the WEF's vision for the future is...
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Jan 4 2023 02:22pm
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saying "the WEF" is just the right wing's current code for saying "the jews".

while the actual WEF is a globalist propaganda organisation with concerning ties to corrupt establishment politicians all over the world, and as such deserves criticism for its agenda and policies, the q-tarded right loves to just make up conspiracies, trying to connect it to completely unrelated issues.

that's why you will never hear any actual argument of how mccarthy is worse than all of the other corrupt and corporate owned politicians.

it's actually quite amusing, because the republican platform is basically exactly what they suggest the WEF's vision for the future is...


You admit they're right but you made up a conspiracy that they say it because they just hate jews. Classy as usual.
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Jan 4 2023 02:28pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ 4 Jan 2023 15:13)
There is nothing resembling intelligent life here.


If you want an intelligent comment: Here you go.

You're aware that there are many lobbyist organizations that the left wing media constantly bashes on correct?

Like the many organizations funded by the Koch brothers?

So lets talk about the Koch funded lobbyist groups and fossil fuels for a second:

As much as people want to pretend like they hate fossil fuels and that fossil fuel companies are evil, here's the problem: We didn't have a better solution until a few years ago. The main benefit to using fossil fuels is that one of the most important components to fuel a combustion engine happens to be the air itself. So you don't need to drive around with a giant air tank on your car because your car's engine can just pull in fresh air as it drives. Now that solar energy is substantially cheaper than any form of fossil fuels, (which is simply due to the mechanical advantage of not having to do any work to generate energy from the sun, the panel is stationary), we are seeing a massive shift aware from fossil fuels and realistically speaking: It does seem like the free market will actually work out in the long run simply because green energy costs less... That has actually been a fossil fuel company talking point for like 50+ years.

As far as the media:

So for years there's been all these writers that have been bashing on right/libertarian leaning lobbyist organizations and obviously there are people in the right wing media that think it's unfair.

So we've got Michael Walsh, who is a big right wing media writer, who's sitting here scratching his head thinking "Wow it would be great if there was some left leaning organization that I could bash on just like they do to us."

So, I really hope that you're not going to be too shocked to find out that the WEF is indeed a left leaning lobbyist organization that promotes concepts like universal healthcare...

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/world-economic-forum/

Wow, so it's not really a surprise that people like Michael Walsh are saying bad things about the WEF is it?

Finally:

So do you understand the media back and forth now and understand that basically all of it is complete bullshit?

Lobbyist organizations don't actually have any authority to do anything under US law besides talk to politicians and donate money to them...

Some organizations like the Heritage Foundation will actually spend money on behalf of politicians to write the actual text of the laws, but they don't vote on it...

That's what politicians do.

This post was edited by mki on Jan 4 2023 02:28pm
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Quote (cambovenzi @ 4 Jan 2023 21:22)
You admit they're right but you made up a conspiracy that they say it because they just hate jews. Classy as usual.


learn to read, camboy. i said there are legitimate criticisms of the WEF, and there are those made out of bigotry, just uncritically following right wing propaganda.

case in point, none of you was able to actually provide an ARGUMENT as to why mccarthy would be worse than any of the other corporate owned clowns.


not that i expect someone like you, who repeatedly sided with white nationalists and great replacement theorists in the past, to have a principled position against anti-semitic dogwhistles now, of course...
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McCarthy is apparently down another vote for round #6, so this all appears to be another tax payer funded waste of time today.


A democrat talking about wasted tax $$… oh the irony
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