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#151
Apr 16 2022 05:18pm
Quote (Talmid @ Apr 16 2022 07:03pm)
"In 2004, the U.S. Department of Education released a report that looked at sexual misconduct in the classroom. The report concluded that roughly 10 percent of students experience sexual misconduct by a teacher at some time during their K-12 school experience. Although the report is from 2004, various studies and media reports support its findings."

The bill does not stop mandatory reporting measures in any way. It is illegal for them to not report suspected abuse.

You are completely overlooking the 10% of kids that experience sexual misconduct from school staff.



Family members also account for 23 percent
of those abusing children ages 12 to 17

That's over twice the amount of what you claim the teachers are doing. That's not accounting for children who never reported, and I'd assume that it'd be harder to "tell on" a family member than a teacher, skewing the numbers even further.
I'm not overlooking 10% of kids, your portraying data in a skewed way to fit your agenda.
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#152
Apr 16 2022 05:47pm
Quote (David_911 @ Apr 16 2022 07:18pm)
Family members also account for 23 percent
of those abusing children ages 12 to 17

That's over twice the amount of what you claim the teachers are doing. That's not accounting for children who never reported, and I'd assume that it'd be harder to "tell on" a family member than a teacher, skewing the numbers even further.
I'm not overlooking 10% of kids, your portraying data in a skewed way to fit your agenda.


Your argument is a Red Herring. The bill is for addressing schools and teachers. The truth is that 10% of children with experience sexual misconduct from a teacher, coach, or faculty member before they graduate highschool.

Having secret conversations about sex is one of the primary tactics of groomers to isolate children from their families and desensitized them. This bill helps make it harder for teachers to prey on their students.

https://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/sexual-misconduct-in-the-classroom-everything-you-need-to-know/

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#153
Apr 16 2022 06:10pm
Quote (Talmid @ Apr 16 2022 07:47pm)
This bill helps make it harder for teachers to prey on their students.


Avoiding discussion of gender and sexuality in school does not equal less child abuse, it just shuts the conversation down altogether.
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#154
Apr 16 2022 06:15pm
Quote (David_911 @ Apr 16 2022 08:10pm)
Avoiding discussion of gender and sexuality in school does not equal less child abuse, it just shuts the conversation down altogether.


1 part of the bill restricts it for children under 3rd grade. The majority of it is focused on the freedom of information that is happening in the classroom and the parental right to know.

Also, it does help lower child abuse. One of the primary tactics of grooming is desensitizing children to sex by having repeated discussions about it.

https://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/sexual-misconduct-in-the-classroom-everything-you-need-to-know/
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#155
Apr 16 2022 06:15pm
Quote (Talmid @ Apr 16 2022 05:30pm)
Thanks for conceding the issue. So, why are you saying that parents shouldn't be able to know about secret conversations that teachers and school administrators have with their children? This is especially damning because about 7% of students report to have been sexually harassed by a teacher or coach at some point.

https://childrenstreatmentcenter.com/sexual-abuse-teachers/


You aren't winning anything by running from the subject you couldn't back up with facts. You have yet to refute the point I made about this bill after saying it doesn't block LGBTQ discussions.

You can move your goal post all day, but that's not how you win by being wrong repeatedly.
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#156
Apr 16 2022 06:23pm
Quote (Talmid @ Apr 16 2022 08:15pm)
1 part of the bill restricts it for children under 3rd grade.


That's the part of the bill I and most others disagree with. If the rest of the bill, which I haven't taken a stance on, is so beneficial, why lump it in with that?

Quote (Talmid @ Apr 16 2022 08:15pm)
One of the primary tactics of grooming is desensitizing children to sex by having repeated discussions about it.


When the person having the discussion has bad intentions, yes. It's unhealthy on a societal level to assume that every adult has those bad intentions towards children.
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#157
Apr 16 2022 06:34pm
Quote (Subwoofer @ Apr 16 2022 08:15pm)
You aren't winning anything by running from the subject you couldn't back up with facts. You have yet to refute the point I made about this bill after saying it doesn't block LGBTQ discussions.

You can move your goal post all day, but that's not how you win by being wrong repeatedly.


That is sexual indoctrination and it needs to be removed from the curriculum, especially when it is done without the consent of a parent.

Quote (David_911 @ Apr 16 2022 08:23pm)
That's the part of the bill I and most others disagree with. If the rest of the bill, which I haven't taken a stance on, is so beneficial, why lump it in with that?



When the person having the discussion has bad intentions, yes. It's unhealthy on a societal level to assume that every adult has those bad intentions towards children.


While most teachers are innocent, these conversations make it easier for the predators down the road. If sex and gender are a normal part of discourse with teachers it will make grooming easier because it won't be such an affront to the normal dynamic between student and teacher.
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#158
Apr 16 2022 06:40pm
Quote (Talmid @ Apr 16 2022 08:34pm)
If sex and gender are a normal part of discourse.

They are and always have been.
Mom, Dad, Husband, Wife, Mr, Mrs, Ms, Brother, Sister, Uncle, Aunt, He, She.
All of those words relate to sexuality and gender.
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#159
Apr 16 2022 06:50pm
Quote (David_911 @ Apr 16 2022 08:40pm)
They are and always have been.
Mom, Dad, Husband, Wife, Mr, Mrs, Ms, Brother, Sister, Uncle, Aunt, He, She.
All of those words relate to sexuality and gender.


1st graders should not be shown cartoons about mastrubation. Sexual teaching has no place in early childhood classrooms. https://nypost.com/2021/05/29/dalton-parents-enraged-over-masturbation-videos-for-1st-graders/

As for gender identity, it also has no place in the early childhood classroom. It is a political ideology. Are you willing to let strong religious indoctrination in public schools as well?

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#160
Apr 16 2022 06:54pm
its a LIFESTYLE never forget it...


they choose to be gay to be the 1% they wanna be extra
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