Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 29 2022 02:43am)

Lord forbid we hold Biden to the standard we hold any other politician or president. How many times did Trump get skewered by 'filling in the blanks'? Biden said “For God’s sake, this man cannot remain in power.” The only way the US can remove Putin from power is to kill him. Everyone in the world reasonably interprets it as a vague death threat. Then the white house came out and contradicted Biden almost immediately, saying our policy isn't 'regime change'. And again, 'regime change' is another American euphemism for political assassination. So we said we're not talking about killing Putin. Except then Biden came out yesterday and said he refuses to take back what he said and isn't backtracking anything. Except then he immediately followed it up by saying our policy on 'regime change' hadn't changed.

I have a great disdain for word games and bullshittery. Biden went off script, he made a vague threat to Putin, the white house tried to spin it clumsily by walking it back, then Biden tried to spin it with more bullshit by claiming not to take it back while taking it back.

Quote (Humbletrader @ Mar 29 2022 03:07am)

Thanks for stating the facts but how can the planet tell this old man and many other old men/women like him that cold war era is over?

Some people just cling to the past with grudges and remember the Russian invasion yesterday will be history and forgotten tomorrow. Thats how the rubel rolls (this is metaphoric speaking please do not attack me thanks).

Quote (Skinned @ Mar 29 2022 06:35am)

Clutch your pearls and make up some more slippery slopes to just slide into.
Nobody with a brain was thinking regime change. He since stated he wasn't backing off the comments, and that Putin doesn't have a seat at the table of civilization anymore, and he is saying what everyone is thinking. The Russians just poisoned the Ukrainian negotiation team, they actually lost their seat.
The only people offended by this are Putin fanboys on jsp and the Russian asset wing of the GOP. So clutch those pearls.

Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 29 2022 12:59pm)

Okay for one, there's obvious and blatant fact that saying someone "cannot remain in power" is a literal and unambiguous call for regime change. There's no way to misinterpret that, its exactly what it means. They are synonymous. A = B, B = A. It can't be spun any other way. Someone being removed from power is by definition regime change. Someone in power, not remaining in power, is regime change. Hell, the spin they settled on was that his call for regime change wasn't meant to be taken literally, and instead was just an 'expression of moral outrage'. Which is like someone screaming "I'll fucking kill you!", then spinning it as "I was just mad". Well, its an unambiguous death threat, so as per Biden's example here, the only way to handwave it is to insist that he didn't mean what he said. What a great line for a politician, top tier responsibility for the guy leading us across the knifes edge between the perils of a bloody massacre and nuclear holocaust

For two, it was widely interpreted as a call for a regime change by all the world's media and a variety of world leaders who chimed in. And one that was immediately walked back by the white house cleanup crew;

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/26/politics/biden-warsaw-saturday/index.html
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/03/biden-putin-regime-change-russia/629397/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/27/us-denies-it-is-seeking-regime-change-in-russia-after-biden-comments-putin
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-26/joe-biden-calls-for-regime-change-in-moscow-as-he-likens-invasion-to-ww2-horrors
https://kyivindependent.com/uncategorized/biden-called-on-regime-change-in-russia/
https://www.rt.com/russia/552774-putin-cannot-remain-in-power/

^oh look, even the Ukrainian and Russian state media agree on something :bonk:

Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 29 2022 01:43am)

Lord forbid we hold Biden to the standard we hold any other politician or president. How many times did Trump get skewered by 'filling in the blanks'?

Quote (Goomshill @ 29 Mar 2022 07:59)

Okay for one, there's obvious and blatant fact that saying someone "cannot remain in power" is a literal and unambiguous call for regime change. There's no way to misinterpret that, its exactly what it means. They are synonymous. A = B, B = A. It can't be spun any other way. Someone being removed from power is by definition regime change. Someone in power, not remaining in power, is regime change. Hell, the spin they settled on was that his call for regime change wasn't meant to be taken literally, and instead was just an 'expression of moral outrage'. Which is like someone screaming "I'll fucking kill you!", then spinning it as "I was just mad". Well, its an unambiguous death threat, so as per Biden's example here, the only way to handwave it is to insist that he didn't mean what he said. What a great line for a politician, top tier responsibility for the guy leading us across the knifes edge between the perils of a bloody massacre and nuclear holocaust

For two, it was widely interpreted as a call for a regime change by all the world's media and a variety of world leaders who chimed in. And one that was immediately walked back by the white house cleanup crew;

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/26/politics/biden-warsaw-saturday/index.html
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/03/biden-putin-regime-change-russia/629397/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/27/us-denies-it-is-seeking-regime-change-in-russia-after-biden-comments-putin
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-26/joe-biden-calls-for-regime-change-in-moscow-as-he-likens-invasion-to-ww2-horrors
https://kyivindependent.com/uncategorized/biden-called-on-regime-change-in-russia/
https://www.rt.com/russia/552774-putin-cannot-remain-in-power/

^oh look, even the Ukrainian and Russian state media agree on something :bonk:

Quote (Skinned @ Mar 29 2022 04:35am)

Clutch your pearls and make up some more slippery slopes to just slide into.

Nobody with a brain was thinking regime change. He since stated he wasn't backing off the comments, and that Putin doesn't have a seat at the table of civilization anymore, and he is saying what everyone is thinking. The Russians just poisoned the Ukrainian negotiation team, they actually lost their seat.

The only people offended by this are Putin fanboys on jsp and the Russian asset wing of the GOP. So clutch those pearls..

Quote (Nibthebarb @ Mar 29 2022 09:28am)

You know this is utter garbage.

No one on here seems to be a "Putin fanboy" nor are "offended" by the statement. Some people are very legitimately concerned with the blowback the President's words can have and can imagine, given enough taunts, gaffes and insults, that a cornered dog will continue to escalate when that is in no one's best interests.

Look, just take the L on this one. Even WSJ is all over it. When you fucked up bad enough to invoke the ire of mainstream milquetoast conservatives, you know you fucked up bad. Take the L with some dignity.

Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 29 2022 07:32am)

most of the same people terrified at Biden's words against Putin cheered when Trump threatened Kim Jong Un (a far more unstable person) on Twitter. in fact mainstream conservative media cheered as he told a country made up of 90% political prisoners that he'd reduce them to dust.

Quote (Nibthebarb @ Mar 29 2022 09:42am)

Despite that the comparison is totally invalid, tell me, did a war start in Korea under Trump's watch?