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Mar 16 2022 10:00am
Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 16 2022 10:49am)
If your infectious disease samples are weaponizable. Nerf's Super Soaker department are not arms dealers. Samples of powdery mildew at the horticultural biological research laboratory developing apple cultivars doesn't make for a weapon of war or terrorism.
We're talking about plague and anthrax and more unknowns, leftovers from the USSR's bioweapons programs. Pretty sure if you were at a BSL-3+ facility you'd know it.


I am at a BSL3 facility :rolleyes:

They're pretty common.

BSL4 labs are pretty much all accounted for because they're actually pretty hard to hide. Everybody tends to know when a facility capable of meeting BSL4 standards is built. It's quite the endeavor.


You keep acting like Anthrax and Plague are serious things to have. They aren't. If you are studying infectious disease you will have samples like that and if they get out it isn't going to be a world ending affair. Those things still exist in the wild.

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Mar 16 2022 10:09am
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I am at a BSL3 facility :rolleyes:

They're pretty common.

BSL4 labs are pretty much all accounted for because they're actually pretty hard to hide. Everybody tends to know when a facility capable of meeting BSL4 standards is built. It's quite the endeavor.


You keep acting like Anthrax and Plague are serious things to have. They aren't. If you are studying infectious disease you will have samples like that and if they get out it isn't going to be a world ending affair. Those things still exist in the wild.


From my time in the military and as a recipient of the anthrax "vaccine" series.. It was frequently mentioned the need for anthrax resistance was how easy it is to weaponize.
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Mar 16 2022 10:51am
Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 15 2022 08:32am)
So this story is continuing to bounce around in headlines because Tulsi took it up. And once again and again, its about this meaningless distinction between "biolabs researching weaponizable pathogens" and "bioweapons research labs". And again I feel the need to point out, there's no such thing as a bioweapons research lab. Nobody has them. Every country's bioweapons programs are conducted at biolabs researching dangerous pathogens. As long as you have access to pathogen samples, you can weaponize them. Pentagon sources even confirmed that these biolabs in Ukraine have samples of Anthrax and Plague. In the middle of a war zone, in the poorest country in Europe, torn by civil war and threat of foreign invasion, the US was funding security and research on the most dangerous pathogens in the world. And the WHO was telling Ukraine to destroy these pathogens so they couldn't leak or be weaponized. Russia itself has used bioweapons a few times now, used in an assassination and used to storm a terrorist hostage siege. Those bioweapons didn't come from some overt bioweapons facility, they came from research biolabs that just happen to have heavy military security protection and BSL-4 containment and serve the stated purpose of "researching biotechnology and virology". Like in Koltsovo. There's no way to distinguish between a lab like those in Ukraine and those used for bioweapons in the best of times, and the fact its literally a facility built out of the old soviet bioweapons program using their old bioweapon samples, under that same pretense of research, gives every reason to treat it as bioweapons. Honestly, what's supposed to be the difference here? Intent? We can claim our intentions for studying dangerous pathogens are purely peaceful and preventative medicine. But Russians at their not-bioweapons facilities would say the exact same thing.


There are 59 level 4 bio labs in the world. None are in Ukraine.
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Mar 16 2022 10:59am
btw interesting reading about diseases which are not available in Ukraine sicrit biolabs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_biosafety_level_4_organisms

sry !
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Quote (said_aouita @ Mar 15 2022 01:20pm)
Putin claiming Zelenski was a "nazi" didn't work at the beginning of the war. So, Vlad resorted to the biolab conspiracies and all of the far-right social networks went right along with it.

Here's a striking chart from the data company Pyrra, tracking “biolabs” on 15 influential far-right social networks.

That jump? The day of the invasion.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FN1H-9KVcAAt-rl.png



Goom gonna ignore this to pretend he didn't fall for russian propaganda lol.
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Mar 16 2022 12:19pm
Quote (Cascadian @ Mar 16 2022 11:09am)
From my time in the military and as a recipient of the anthrax "vaccine" series.. It was frequently mentioned the need for anthrax resistance was how easy it is to weaponize.


Anthrax may be easily weaponized, but it is also a frequent subject of medical research. It still exists in the wild and likely will forever, so research is ongoing.



I'm not saying there's no possibility that Ukraine is doing weapons research. My position is that the mere presence of potentially weaponizable agents is not sufficient to conclude they are doing weapons research. That would qualify virtually every major biological research institution as weapons research and justify bombing of most research institutes in conflict.


Also I think that it's funny how enlightened Goomshill pretends to be, then he eats Russian propaganda without a second thought. They are literally at war with Ukraine.
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Mar 16 2022 01:50pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 16 Mar 2022 17:00)
I am at a BSL3 facility :rolleyes:

They're pretty common.

BSL4 labs are pretty much all accounted for because they're actually pretty hard to hide. Everybody tends to know when a facility capable of meeting BSL4 standards is built. It's quite the endeavor.


You keep acting like Anthrax and Plague are serious things to have. They aren't. If you are studying infectious disease you will have samples like that and if they get out it isn't going to be a world ending affair. Those things still exist in the wild.


Watching these posts is just sad. You might have noticed but you are not talking to a reasonable person. You are just discussing with a mentally weak uneducated man. His brain was cleaned with bleach and ate up all the russian propaganda.
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Mar 16 2022 07:44pm
https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1503434867614228480

This is the only thing I've read on the biolabs thing.

What's with the right-wing obsession to get consumed with these subplots? It happens on literally every major story.

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Quote (IceMage @ Mar 16 2022 08:44pm)
https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1503434867614228480

This is the only thing I've read on the biolabs thing.

What's with the right-wing obsession to get consumed with these subplots? It happens on literally every major story.


So the only thing you've read on it is anachronistic meta bashing of T_D that doesn't care about the meat of the story?
Afaik, the only reason this biolab story became a significant story is because the left-wing MSM / social media / pundits decided to run so hard on lying about it and trying to censor people mentioning it. Like Mitt Romney pussyfooting around with calling Tulsi Gabbard a traitor deserving the death penalty for pointing out the facts of US funded biolabs in Ukraine. The Tucker Carlson coverage is notable because the first day he talked about it was specifically to point out how his studio reviewed the claims, disregarded them, and didn't bother to cover it because they couldn't verify or debunk it even while the MSM was screaming it was a hoax. Until Victoria Nuland got up under oath and confirmed it was real, opening that floodgate, but the MSM then continued to spout that its a hoax / conspiracy theory / propaganda anyway.

The actual substance of the story isn't particularly substantial. Former soviet territory still has leftover pathogens from days when USSR kept bioweapons there, now stored away in biolabs, and since Ukraine entered the western sphere of influence the US has had a compelling reason to fund security at these sites to prevent leaks or theft by terrorists or whatever. And that might give the Russians a valid argument to want to secure those facilities during the invasion, but not casus belli by any stretch of the imagination, and Ukraine could have quashed such fears by just disposing of their anthrax and plague and whatever. Then again, Ukraine spent the past few weeks calling up child soldiers to throw molotovs at tanks and shanghaiing refugees back into the warzones. So fears of their actual desperate use of bioweapons may be credible. And of course the US tried to preemptively declare that any use of bioweapons that occurs must be a Russian false flag, before anything has occurred :bouncy:


If the media didn't go out of its way to lie so blatantly and try to crucify people who call out the lies, the actual underlying story wouldn't be so controversial. And this is hardly the first example of that phenomenon. Its great to be retrospective on Rand Paul vs Anthony Fauci now that even the CDC admits cloth masks didn't do jack shit, which anyone with a brain knew all along.

This post was edited by Goomshill on Mar 16 2022 08:31pm
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