Quote (Vastet @ Feb 26 2022 05:44pm)

So lets do a hypothetical. Canada suddenly experiences a coup, and in the immediate aftermath Quebec and Alberta declare independence, as well as a bunch of cities in Ontario on the US border. Cities that happen to be mostly or largely populated by Americans. The entirety of the great lakes, so the US cannot send ships up and down the St. Lawrence anymore. This is of great strategic importance to the US. Civil war breaks out. Maybe there's a rumour that China backed the coup. There's no proof just rumour. The new Canadian government is decidedly pro Chinese. The break away regions are decidedly pro America. What do you do? My money is on the US invading and deposing the pro Chinese government. It's a radically impossible scenario, but for Russia it is current events.

Quote (Skinned @ 26 Feb 2022 16:48)

Zelensky is the biggest thing on Reddit right now. The guy is showing true leadership. If Russia murders him I think it will really backfire on them; it would be beyond the pale, since he is a sovereign with a personal relationship with may other European leaders.

Quote (Ghot @ 26 Feb 2022 17:50)

See my addendum on: "The way we make rules".

1. Make some basic rules.
2. If what happens doesn't fit one of those rules... take it to court.
3. Do NOT try to make one huge over-reaching rule.


Something like (in your ridiculous scenario)... It's legal to do whatever to protect your land and your people... within your borders.
If you want to take war to someone outside your borders.. you need a court case for that.

Quote (Ghot @ 26 Feb 2022 17:50)

Btw... no one "needs" the St. Lawrence for shipping anymore... really.

Quote (Vastet @ Feb 26 2022 05:53pm)

Ok but whose court? The US hasn't recognized the International Court so that isn't an option, and if you go to the UN China just vetoes you.

Quote (Vastet @ Feb 26 2022 05:53pm)

Noone ever 'needed' the St. Lawrence but it saves millions per day and allows for US Navy to travel in and out of the lakes so it's still important.

Quote (Ghot @ 26 Feb 2022 17:57)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj60OAh7O5U





I just use the term court case... it could be treaty, discussion, etc.

Quote (Ghot @ 26 Feb 2022 17:59)

Maybe you've heard of a little place called... Norfolk? :D



Proposed, big fat railway... with train cars the size of oil tankers. :-)
We don't "need" the St. Lawrence anymore.



https://i.imgur.com/tiL5Kxr.png

Quote (Vastet @ Feb 26 2022 06:05pm)

lol love that clip. And I hate wil west movies.

I grant fully that my scenario is literally ridiculous. But it isn't so ridiculous for Russia who faces that exact scenario. And there's more to the Russian situation than my ridiculous hypothetical.

Also, what are the recriminations if America decides to invade when they also have veto power in the UN and don't recognize the International Court? Is the EU supposed to invade alongside China to kick the US back across the border?

My presented scenario being ridiculous may make my entire argument also seem ridiculous by proxy, but these are serious questions.

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Something like (in your ridiculous scenario)... It's legal to do whatever to protect your land and your people... within your borders.
If you want to take war to someone outside your borders.. you need a court case for that.