Almost like they're just straight-up lying or something.

Gee I wonder why nobody takes black and others seriously.

Inb4 "not infrastructure". As if it matters

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Jan 28 2022 03:36pm

Doesn't matter one iota to the conversation what proportion is infrastructure. For this conversation I'll go ahead and say 100% of it is in fact not infrastructure. I don't care. If the 500 billion a year price tag was enough to send us over some cliff then the military budget is also a concern. Oh, it's not? In fact it goes up every year? Funny how that works. Almost like the idea that BBB would send us over some imaginary cliff is just propaganda, and nobody ever makes the same comparisons when it comes to military spending, corporate give aways, etc. etc. And let's also not forget that most of BBB would be paid for with tax increases, which actually counteracts the inflation argument. is fond of pointing this out.

Oh, they said it in a debate? Cool story. Show me the policy proposals that have been made to open borders. Show me the REAL ACTION taken to do that. Oh, what's that? They didn't even make a slight attempt to open the borders and Biden still has them on full lockdown with the full support of his party? Almost like Democrats aren't actually interested in opening the borders.

They were "sending signals of porous borders for months". Great way to say "I drank the kool-aid" while Biden is actively fighting to illegally keep refugees out and continued most of Trump's worst policies on the subject. Your entire defense on Immigration comes down to "but they said some things. NO NO DON'T LOOK AT THE POLICIES THAT WERE IMPLEMENTED. THE IMPORTANT THING IS A THING THEY SAID"

Thanks for conceding, but you aren't doing justice to the point here. Democrats in the 1990's were for a universal healthcare plan and actively pushed for it. The current Democrats are far to the right of 90's Democrats even after their "surge to the left". Democrats are still massively to the right of where they were in the 70's, 80's, and 90's. This also goes for taxes. Just taking taxes to where they were 10 years ago is seen as fringe lunacy within the Republicans AND Democrats. Taxes are another point where you are just demonstrably wrong.


Your points are literally all false. Even the ones you think you demonstrated, you didn't.


You know what really makes me frustrated though? I don't like Democrats. I would LOVE substantive criticism of Democrats. But you don't have any. You just spew Republican talking points without a second thought and make me debunk them. You make me feel the need to defend Democrats from your obvious lies when I'd much rather be making REAL criticism of Democrats. I'll gladly hop on the shit train with you and bash them to high heaven. So the fact that you can't even get me to jump on that should really clue you in to something.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Jan 29 2022 04:04am

The military budget serves mutliple purposes. First, it serves to maintain US military hegemony and secure stuff like the petro dollar which contribute greatly to the wealth of the country. Second, it serves as an indirect make-work program for low IQ males and their families. Third, it serves as a hidden research funding program.

So while I agree that the US military budget is bloated and ridiculous and could be boiled down by $200-300 billion per year, it's not like this budget is 100% wasted and doesn't provide anything of value to society.


I didn't say that BBB would send you over a cliff. Proposing some $5 trillion in additional spending, particularly with most of its funding shaky and up in the air while the entitlements are more likely than not (going by historical experience) to perpetuate, is still a huge break with previous fiscal policy. You might agree with this bill on its merits, but don't tell me it wouldn't represent a huge increase in government spending.


A valid argument, but the scope of this effect greatly hinges upon where exactly the tax increases would come from. If you just throw additional money at poor and middle-class families that comes from taxing corporations in the middle of a supply squeeze, you're just gonna create a price spiral that eats up the gains.



The Biden admin did reverse a lot of Trump's border policies, with disastrous consequences. That, plus federal courts forcing them to reverse course, is the reason why the border is more closed right now. Border apprehensions for 2021 are still estimated to be in the ballpark of 2m. Funny how that works while Biden purportedly kept the border on full lockdown.

So to sum it up, Biden and his party did want to open up the borders substantially and only stopped when this policy failed and became legally and politically untenable. Similar to how Republicans truly wanted to repeal Obamacare and only gave up on trying after they saw in 17/18 that they couldn't pull it off and would pay a heavy political price. Democrats still campaigned in 2018 that "Republicans want to take away your healthcare", and rightfully so! The big difference ofc being that border policy can be heavily influenced by EOs and unilateral action of the executive while healthcare needs to go through Congress.


Again: 2 million border apprehensions; Biden and Kamala publicly promised a more "humane" (we all know what that means) asylum policy and only reinstated Remain in Mexico after a court forced them to do so. And Biden's DoJ actively fought against this court ruling. So yeah, you're still closing your eyes to reality on this one...





That's not really a surprise, lol. You're criticizing Democrats for not tacking left enough while I criticize them for going too far to the left on many issues. (For the record: healthcare and foreign policy are not part of it.)
Hence, the fact that I can't get you to agree with my criticisms doesn't mean anything.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jan 29 2022 09:16am