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Jan 26 2022 04:55pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 26 2022 04:21pm)
Out of curiousity: replace the word "medical" with "police" in your statement, it turns into an emphatic defense of racial profiling and stop-and-frisk policies in high-crime areas. Do you support such policies? If not: what's the difference?


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out of curiosity: replace the word "profiling" with "discrimination" in your statement, it turns into an emphatic defense of racism. do you support that? if not, what's the difference?

man, it's almost like two different words could have vastly different meaning and context, making the swapping of them not a minor change exposing some kind of double standard, but a cheap and dumb rhetorical exercise without any meaningful purpose but political hackery...


It's almost profound how unable heinreich von goebbels is to process an argument.
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Jan 26 2022 05:00pm
Quote (Goomshill @ 26 Jan 2022 17:55)
It's almost profound how unable heinreich von goebbels is to process an argument.

the only argument that ever made sense to him was a ‘final solution’ argument
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Jan 26 2022 05:08pm
Quote (excellence @ Jan 26 2022 05:00pm)
the only argument that ever made sense to him was a ‘final solution’ argument


I think his rhetorical style is the equivalent of a cargo cultist. He's only ever seen the stylistic trappings of arguments from the outside, never understanding that there is some underlying logical concept being expressed. So he sees an argument being made with a device like swapping a word to demonstrate a philosophical inconsistency in approach to similar-but-opposing issues, and he thinks that swapping a word in a sentence will make the white men in the sky rain boxes of chocolate bars and canned foods. Which I guess could be explained by engrained cultural memories of Uncle Wiggly Wings
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Jan 26 2022 05:22pm
Quote (Goomshill @ 27 Jan 2022 00:08)
I think his rhetorical style is the equivalent of a cargo cultist. He's only ever seen the stylistic trappings of arguments from the outside, never understanding that there is some underlying logical concept being expressed. So he sees an argument being made with a device like swapping a word to demonstrate a philosophical inconsistency in approach to similar-but-opposing issues, and he thinks that swapping a word in a sentence will make the white men in the sky rain boxes of chocolate bars and canned foods. Which I guess could be explained by engrained cultural memories of Uncle Wiggly Wings


you're just demonstrating that you completely missed / didn't understand the "context" part of my argument. not surprising tbf, but somewhat amusing how willing you are to openly admit it. then again, it's not like any of the other cultists cared, or was smart / honest enough to identify it themselves... the disgusting nazi obsessed pedo was already eager to prove it too, lel.
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Jan 26 2022 05:26pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 26 2022 04:21pm)
Out of curiousity: replace the word "medical" with "police" in your statement, it turns into an emphatic defense of racial profiling and stop-and-frisk policies in high-crime areas. Do you support such policies? If not: what's the difference?


It really doesn't.

Theres a difference between targeting policing and evaluating medical outcomes that fundamentally changes the calculus.
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Jan 26 2022 05:35pm
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It really doesn't.

Theres a difference between targeting policing and evaluating medical outcomes that fundamentally changes the calculus.


There is a difference, but not in the way you think.
They are similar insofar as they are explicit racial discrimination on matters of life and death that deprives people of their fundamental rights based on their immutable, natural traits. They are different, however, in that white people denied life saving healthcare are being killed at the hands of the state, whereas black communities benefit from tough-on-crime measures because its black people who bear the burden of victimization when crime rates surge and enlightened white liberals in ivory towers preach about the boons of decriminalization.
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Jan 26 2022 05:38pm
here's the crayon version for racist scum thinking policing and healthcare are somehow similar and therefore fair comparisons: criminal behaviour is not reliably predicted by race, but by socio-economic factors. meaning racial profiling based on previous racial discrimination is just adding one discrimination on top of a previous one. on the other hand, SOME medical conditions / deficiencies / risks CAN be reasonably safely predicted by race. addressing this in an attempt to create favourable outcomes during a global pandemic can NOT be locically turned into an argument in favour of racial profiling. only truly disgusting, racist hacks would even attempt to try that - as seen in this thread, by the usual suspects...

race has literally NO impact on criminal behaviour.
race CAN have an impact on medical conditions / deficiencies / risks.

This post was edited by fender on Jan 26 2022 05:41pm
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Jan 26 2022 05:45pm
Quote (fender @ Jan 26 2022 05:38pm)
here's the crayon version for racist scum thinking policing and healthcare are somehow similar and therefore fair comparisons: criminal behaviour is not reliably predicted by race, but by socio-economic factors. meaning racial profiling based on previous racial discrimination is just adding one discrimination on top of a previous one. on the other hand, SOME medical conditions / deficiencies / risks CAN be reasonably safely predicted by race. addressing this in an attempt to create favourable outcomes during a global pandemic can NOT be locically turned into an argument in favour of racial profiling. only truly disgusting, racist hacks would even attempt to try that - as seen in this thread, by the usual suspects...


No, they don't. Everything you said was wrong. Crime rates remain disproportionate among races even when normalized for socio-economic factors like income. They are not just elevated, they are gigantic multiples, a factor of 10.







No amount of wishful thinking changes those statistical realities. You don't get to just assume when you wave a magic wand of weighting statistics for social factors that the disparities disappear, they very obviously do not, and its not even close.
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Jan 26 2022 05:58pm
Quote (Goomshill @ 27 Jan 2022 00:45)
No, they don't. Everything you said was wrong. Crime rates remain disproportionate among races even when normalized for socio-economic factors like income. They are not just elevated, they are gigantic multiples, a factor of 10.

https://i.imgur.com/NwkXXSL.png

https://i.imgur.com/2fWPXln.png

https://i.imgur.com/XWACwUS.png

No amount of wishful thinking changes those statistical realities. You don't get to just assume when you wave a magic wand of weighting statistics for social factors that the disparities disappear, they very obviously do not, and its not even close.


stop spreading racist propaganda and "bell curve"-like pseudo-science that does NOT appropriately account for america's (ongoing) history of economic discrimination and social structures. we can scientifically explain why certain medical conditions can be related to skin colour / race / genetics. where is the scientific explanation when it comes to crime? oh right, there isn't a SINGLE one. it's all just conjecture by politically motivated actors who even attempt to do so. there's NOTHING that even so much as points to a direct relation between race and criminal behaviour. the blog of another racist is NOT peer-reviewed science.
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Jan 26 2022 06:04pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 26 2022 05:35pm)
There is a difference, but not in the way you think.
They are similar insofar as they are explicit racial discrimination on matters of life and death that deprives people of their fundamental rights based on their immutable, natural traits. They are different, however, in that white people denied life saving healthcare are being killed at the hands of the state, whereas black communities benefit from tough-on-crime measures because its black people who bear the burden of victimization when crime rates surge and enlightened white liberals in ivory towers preach about the boons of decriminalization.


The fact that you're still repeating that the state is taking away a right to life is enough to dismiss you on this subject. Medical rationing based on medical outcomes is fundamentally not the same and it just shows your dishonesty that you are still repeating it.
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