Man, I'm reading A LOT of bad takes about this election:
- The National Review says that this is evidence that the Democrats need to kill all their bills
- Progressives are saying Terry was too boring and they need someone like AOC
- Moderates are blaming progressives for holding up progress
- Openly blaming voters for being stupid (while true, you're supposed to use this in your analysis to craft a message...not say it aloud)



1. He's done quite a bit to get them in line. People just don't want to know how sausage is made but it is what it is. Manchin NEEDS to engage in a lot of theatrics because he needs to keep his brand in order to be reelected. Sinema is a bit of an enigma but it seems like she has been in constant communication with the WH. It's the people/media she's not responding to. I'm not sure what her strategy is but it MIGHT work in a general election given recent polling. The real danger for her is getting primaried.
2. I wouldn't go so far to say that the Democrats deserve the country to be Republican leaning. Rather, they need to be better at reading the room.
3. This seems insanely corrupt and something that the Trump administration would do. If Manchin's daughter was involved in something illegal, that needs to be investigated regardless. Using the DOJ as a political bargaining chip is fucking insane.



It's not just Pelosi...Biden supports this strategy as well. You have to remember that this is HIS agenda and he's trying to get 60% of it passed instead of 25%.

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yup.



https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2021/11/03/at_mcauliffe_hq_a_trumpless_reality_sinks_in_146679.html


of course simple-minded usual suspects got sidetracked by a flyer

Strong rebuttal. More proof what I said is accurate.


Governor's Name State Time in Office Party
Gov. Terry McAuliffe Virginia 2014 - 2018
Democratic (POTUS Trump)
Gov. Robert McDonnell Virginia 2010 - 2014
Republican (POTUS Obama)
Gov. Tim Kaine Virginia 2006 - 2010
Democratic (POTUS G.W, Bush- later Obama)
Gov. Mark R. Warner Virginia 2002 - 2006
Democratic (POTUS G.W. Bush)

Let me know which part of what I said is wrong.

This post was edited by said_aouita on Nov 3 2021 04:24pm

The takeaway from this is that Democrats have failed over the past year - but not enough to encourage them to reform their party goals.

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Rightly or wrongly, they own all the problems that people are feeling. You can't get around that. What "party goals" should the Dems reform?

True, but at the end of the day, Democrats have to acknowledge that most parts of their agenda were dead in the water the moment their Senate majority hinged on a conservative dude from a rural, coal-heavy, lily-white, Trump+40 state. Trying to force the 60% is the wrong play call in this situation if you ask me, they should take the 25% and build from there.

But this whole point is a tangent anyway. It's not like passing the bipartisan bill standalone, or passing a compromise version of both bills in tandem, would have shifted the electorate by over 2 percentage points. Biden's sagging approval ratings and the unpopularity of Democrats right now is based on a wide variety of factors, the legislative logjam is just one factor among many (and not the most important one imho).





Yes, these are all bad.

The results from yesterday reinforce my main takeaway from the 2020 elections, namely that the American people in 2020 repudiated Trump, but refused to equip Democrats with a sufficiently strong mandate to carry out their agenda. The way I read it, the key voters who swung the 2020 election wanted a return to normalcy and competence, not "big bold change". Basically, in 2021, Democrats repeated the mistake Republicans made in 2017 and acted like the razor-thin trifecta they had just won represented a sweeping mandate for their entire platform.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Nov 3 2021 06:25pm