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Jul 19 2021 08:11am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 19 2021 08:08am)
True, but there would be huge anti-alien "racism" popping up instantly. A Trump-like figure would probably win the next presidential election on a platform of "build a space wall/dome". ^_^


Rearding your first point: the residents of first world countries might be there in terms of standard of living, but large parts of the world are not. On top of that, we have not yet figured out how to keep this standard of living or consumption levels without exhausting the natural resources of the planet, see the loss of biodiversity, climate change and so on. The leftist/Green party solution of sharply reducing our standard of living is not an option.



LMAO build a dyson sphere around Earth - and Mars is going to pay for it.


And yeah that's definitely fair enough - we haven't fully mastered living on Earth yet, at least not without being cancerous to the environment and each other. And I have to admit that human behavior in modern times is considerably better in comparison to how we were when things were less prosperous, so if that trend continues - we should get there.
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Jul 19 2021 08:16am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 19 2021 09:52am)
Communism can only work in some StarTrek-like distant, high-tech future where human population and the consumption of natural resources have been brought into a stable, long-term equilibrium, all of mankind has gotten to a "first world" standard of living and machines do virtually all the work for us, so that the average person only has to work something like sub-10 hours a week.

A classless society can only function once mankind has gotten so wealthy that at least the material side of things is no problem for anyone anymore. And even then it's no guarantee due to the greedy, petty nature of humans.


This would never last long term. The sexual motivations of a society guide its evolution. Under a system like that without evolutionary pressure, civilization will guide itself towards collapse within a few generations.

After the evolutionary bottleneck occurs, a normal civilization with scarcity would emerge again after the collapse.

The story of the tower of Babel basically. Humans rarely learn from history.
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Jul 19 2021 08:35am
Quote (LoverManGenius @ Jul 19 2021 03:59pm)
The cynical side of me would point out that we sort of already are in that futuristic and wealthy existence in comparison to where we've come from - like the people of the dark ages must have thought "Man, if only we could at least cure disease and feed everyone - humanity would really get their act together then."

But I think I agree that by the time we hit the Star Trek phase of society, we will be far beyond the petty racial and class warfare shit we're seeing right now - at least I would hope so. By that time, there would be so much more to think about than the nonsense we get tied up in on Earth today. I think we just need bigger problems to keep us busy and working together - an alien invasion would cure human on human racism instanteously.


People in the west are so spoiled and privileged that it's scary. People don't experience real hardship other than that created by their own stupidity. Wars are fought overseas not within our own borders, hungry people get food stamps and stimulus checks, junkies these days are allowed to have their dope in certain blue states, criminals get honored when their luck runs out and are killed by a cop that wanted to arrest them.

Take China for contrast: People work their butts off, the law is strictly enforced --> 42 criminal offences are eligible for the death penalty https://www.chinajusticeobserver.com/a/how-many-crimes-are-punishable-by-death-in-china

1. Betrayal of the Country (Article 102)

2. Armed rebellion, and rioting (Article 104)

3. Collaborating with the enemy and betrayal (Article 108)

4. Spying or espionage (Article 110)

5. Stealing, spying, buying, and illegally providing state secrets and intelligence abroad (Article 111)

6. Providing material support to the enemy (Article 112)

7. Arson (Article 115)

8. Flooding (Article 115)

9. Explosion (Article 115)

10. Spreading hazardous substances (Article 115)

11. Endangering public safety in dangerous ways (Article 115)

12. Destruction of vehicles (Article 119)

13. Destruction of transportation facilities (Article 119)

14. Destruction of electrical equipment (Article 119)

15. Destruction of flammable and explosive equipment (Article 119)

16. Hijacking aircraft (Article 121)

17. Illegal manufacturing, trading, transporting, mailing, storing guns, ammunition, and explosives (Article 125)

18. Theft, snatching of guns, ammunition, explosives, and dangerous substances (Article 127)

19. Robbery of guns, ammunition, explosives, and dangerous substances (Article 127)

20. Production and sale of counterfeited drugs (Article 141)

21. Intentional homicide (Article 232)

22. Intentional injury (Article 234)

23. Rape (Article 236)

24. Kidnapping (Article 239)

25. Trafficking in women and children (Article 240

26. Robbery (Article 263)

27. Riot prison escape (Article 317)

28. Gathering Crowds to raid a prison with weapons (Article 317)

29. Smuggling, selling, transporting, manufacturing drugs (Article 347)

30. Destruction of weapons and equipment, military installations, and military communications (Article 369)

31. Deliberately providing unqualified weapons and equipment, military facilities (Article 370)

32. Bribery (Article 382, 383)

33. Defying orders in wartime (Article 421)

34. Concealing and lying about military affairs (Article 422)

35. Refusal and false transmission of military orders (Article 422)

36. Surrender (Article 423)

37. Escape in wartime (Article 424)

38. Soldier defection (Article 430)

39. Stealing, spying, buying, and illegally providing military secrets abroad (Article 431)

40. Theft and snatching of weapons, equipment, and military materials (Article 438)

41. Illegal sale and transfer of weapons and equipment (Article 439)

42. Mutilating and plundering residents during wartime (Article 446)

The "progressive" West should wake up and realize that the "bigger problem" you mentioned is already out there and it's growing year by year while the progressives are weakening us at the same time...

This post was edited by Djunior on Jul 19 2021 08:36am
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People in the west are so spoiled and privileged that it's scary. People don't experience real hardship other than that created by their own stupidity. Wars are fought overseas not within our own borders, hungry people get food stamps and stimulus checks, junkies these days are allowed to have their dope in certain blue states, criminals get honored when their luck runs out and are killed by a cop that wanted to arrest them.

Take China for contrast: People work their butts off, the law is strictly enforced --> 42 criminal offences are eligible for the death penalty https://www.chinajusticeobserver.com/a/how-many-crimes-are-punishable-by-death-in-china

1. Betrayal of the Country (Article 102)

2. Armed rebellion, and rioting (Article 104)

3. Collaborating with the enemy and betrayal (Article 108)

4. Spying or espionage (Article 110)

5. Stealing, spying, buying, and illegally providing state secrets and intelligence abroad (Article 111)

6. Providing material support to the enemy (Article 112)

7. Arson (Article 115)

8. Flooding (Article 115)

9. Explosion (Article 115)

10. Spreading hazardous substances (Article 115)

11. Endangering public safety in dangerous ways (Article 115)

12. Destruction of vehicles (Article 119)

13. Destruction of transportation facilities (Article 119)

14. Destruction of electrical equipment (Article 119)

15. Destruction of flammable and explosive equipment (Article 119)

16. Hijacking aircraft (Article 121)

17. Illegal manufacturing, trading, transporting, mailing, storing guns, ammunition, and explosives (Article 125)

18. Theft, snatching of guns, ammunition, explosives, and dangerous substances (Article 127)

19. Robbery of guns, ammunition, explosives, and dangerous substances (Article 127)

20. Production and sale of counterfeited drugs (Article 141)

21. Intentional homicide (Article 232)

22. Intentional injury (Article 234)

23. Rape (Article 236)

24. Kidnapping (Article 239)

25. Trafficking in women and children (Article 240

26. Robbery (Article 263)

27. Riot prison escape (Article 317)

28. Gathering Crowds to raid a prison with weapons (Article 317)

29. Smuggling, selling, transporting, manufacturing drugs (Article 347)

30. Destruction of weapons and equipment, military installations, and military communications (Article 369)

31. Deliberately providing unqualified weapons and equipment, military facilities (Article 370)

32. Bribery (Article 382, 383)

33. Defying orders in wartime (Article 421)

34. Concealing and lying about military affairs (Article 422)

35. Refusal and false transmission of military orders (Article 422)

36. Surrender (Article 423)

37. Escape in wartime (Article 424)

38. Soldier defection (Article 430)

39. Stealing, spying, buying, and illegally providing military secrets abroad (Article 431)

40. Theft and snatching of weapons, equipment, and military materials (Article 438)

41. Illegal sale and transfer of weapons and equipment (Article 439)

42. Mutilating and plundering residents during wartime (Article 446)

The "progressive" West should wake up and realize that the "bigger problem" you mentioned is already out there and it's growing year by year while the progressives are weakening us at the same time...


I especially agree with your boldened point - the west seriously needs to stop in fighting about which bathroom to piss in, or which race is entitled to the most.

We are rapidly on track to the 3rd world and countries like China only have everything to gain from it.

This post was edited by LoverManGenius on Jul 19 2021 08:43am
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