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Jun 25 2021 01:47pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jun 25 2021 03:36pm)
by that simplistic logic arresting and jailing every pepsi can or battery tossing antifa member nationwide should be simple.

you're being willfully ignorant of reality in service of a moral stance on free speech. ensuring speech remains free in the face of violent opposition is a great task for the western world some times to you, and apparently also mind numbingly simple on college campuses.....


Ive heard excessive police brutality channeled the right way has ensured that singapore is one of the cleanest places in the world. People who toss cans of pepsi anywhere but the recycling bin should be publically caned.
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by that simplistic logic arresting and jailing every pepsi can or battery tossing antifa member nationwide should be simple.

you're being willfully ignorant of reality in service of a moral stance on free speech. ensuring speech remains free in the face of violent opposition is a great task for the western world some times to you, and apparently also mind numbingly simple on college campuses.....


In the world outside of the ivory tower, you have to deal with bad people who have nothing to lose and would sometimes give their life for their radical cause. On college campuses, you only have to deal with spoiled brats from predominantly privileged family backgrounds who are getting cheeky if you dont give them a slap on the fingers from time to time.

Also, once the antifa slob who injures an invited speaker with a throw of a pepsi to his head is actually arrested and serves a sentence, you will not have to arrest his 60 fellows, they will get the message. To quote Mao: "punish one, discipline one hundred".

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no sane person is willing to make these sacrifices on computer models for a system of unlimited complexity from people who have constantly been wrong in the past


My point is that even if these warnings and dire predictions were 100% correct, most people would still not be willing to make the kinds of sacrifices that Green parties/the FFF kids/Green New Deal proponents are demanding from them.

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My point is that even if these warnings and dire predictions were 100% correct, most people would still not be willing to make the kinds of sacrifices that Green parties/the FFF kids/Green New Deal proponents are demanding from them.


its human nature, we move forward and not backwards

the green parties and friends want to send us into a 19th century low energy society, the german green party chooses a family on a fucking cargo bike as their advertisement

humanity has solved all problems so far by moving forward with technology and we will continue to do so
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its human nature, we move forward and not backwards

the green parties and friends want to send us into a 19th century low energy society, the german green party chooses a family on a fucking cargo bike as their advertisement

humanity has solved all problems so far by moving forward with technology and we will continue to do so


Can't i just get a tesla and be smug about being environmentally friendly without someone calling me out on the environmental footprint of their batteries?
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Jun 25 2021 02:12pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 25 2021 02:47pm)
In the world outside of the ivory tower, you have to deal with bad people who have nothing to lose and would sometimes give their life for their radical cause. On college campuses, you only have to deal with spoiled brats from predominantly privileged family backgrounds who are getting cheeky if you dont give them a slap on the fingers from time to time.

Also, once the antifa slob who injures an invited speaker with a throw of a pepsi to his head is actually arrested and serves a sentence, you will not have to arrest his 60 fellows, they will get the message. To quote Mao: "punish one, discipline one hundred".


you're making the mind numbingly dense assumption that a college campust such as Berkeley cant just be walked onto by antifa. or maybe you think its feasible for college security to check campus IDs for a crowd of thousands who gather to protest.

like i said, you're being willfully ignorant with a moral bias. stop it, its silly.

there have been dozens of antifa arrests, we post the mugshots constantly, antifa "soldiers" see arrest as a badge of honor. honestly u sound really silly today. drink some coffee, probs late there.

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Jun 25 2021 02:39pm
Quote (theCrossbones @ Jun 25 2021 05:30am)
lol you might need a few therapy sessions



No that is incorrect, sounds like they haven't worked for you.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 25 2021 02:40pm)
Your post made it sound as if only conservatives/the GOP were corrupted by corporate interest and only their voters were gullible fools who fall for it. The Republican apple might be slightly more rotten than the Democratic one, but you'll still get food poisoning from eating it.
Also, in the situation that the United States actually are in, namely both parties being largely beholden to their corporate overlords, a little destabilization might actually be a good thing.

I dont think the most common accusation against academia is one of a communist takeover, rather one of a liberal takeover where anything right-of-center is underrepresented or outright suppressed.

Regarding climate change: how to address it is a very much open question when it comes to the political aspect of it. The preferred liberal narrative of sacrifice and a reduction in the standard of living will imho never find democratic majorities before it's too late. The only hope are technological solutions. Now, I would be all for massive, and I mean MASSIVE, public funding for research on these technologies. And yes, I'll happily admit that the denial and stalling tactics from the right have prevented this from happening. Nonetheless, liberals dont need to be surprised when stuff like ever-escalating electricity prices, carbon taxes, forcing people to eat less meat or drive e-cars with shitty range are electoral stinkers.

But we're getting far off-topic.


Question is good for who? Trump passed his tax cuts and from there was merely a disrupting force. Now Biden is in power and gives limp-wristed condemnation of elites while doing nothing to stop them and maintaining order. Win win if you're a rich person.

If the accusation is just that it's a "liberal takeover" then they have no case. Liberalism is pretty close to the center of the political and ideological spectrum. To accuse somebody of having a "liberal slant" is to accuse them of having a slight slant to the right. If the accusation was that they are leftists, communists, etc. then they might have a leg to stand on. The fact that the data is something like 40% some kind of centrist, 40% liberal, and then a small amount say they are conservative, means academia as a whole is middling ideologically and conservatives are mad they aren't slanted hard to the right.

How to address climate change is an open question, but we haven't been able to have that debate because, and I repeat, CONSERVATIVES HAVE BEEN ADAMENT THAT IT DOES NOT EVEN EXIST. Modern conservatism is not willing to incorporate new information, which is why the conservative parties in America have spawned global warming deniers, tried to prevent evolution from being taught in schools, and now are massively denying the results of an election.
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Can't i just get a tesla and be smug about being environmentally friendly without someone calling me out on the environmental footprint of their batteries?


in todays clownworld you can ^_^
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Quote (thesnipa @ 25 Jun 2021 22:12)
you're making the mind numbingly dense assumption that a college campust such as Berkeley cant just be walked onto by antifa. or maybe you think its feasible for college security to check campus IDs for a crowd of thousands who gather to protest.

Meh, the law threatening to cut funding from colleges who fail to uphold free speech could distinguish between disruption coming from within the college's own student body (so that the college could directly sanction them) and external protesters. Additionally, against external protesters, the colleges can be expected to use their householder's rights and send them off if they try to disrupt an event - and call the (campus or real) police if they dont leave.

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there have been dozens of antifa arrests, we post the mugshots constantly, antifa "soldiers" see arrest as a badge of honor. honestly u sound really silly today. drink some coffee, probs late there.

Pale pasty privileged lefties dont care about arrests. I'm talking about them serving actual prison time if their "direct action" turns into violence or severe harassment. Being arrested for a night and walking off with their lawyer the next morning will of course not deter them.

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