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May 28 2021 12:42am
Quote (addone @ May 28 2021 04:24pm)
That's a very loaded statement and on the surface is straight up retarded. Because it assumes that ownership is bad. Guess ill be taking all your gaming gear cause its unjust to own things.

So unless you want to unpack that gona assume dealing here with a jack is a dull boy


Argue with your own strawman.
Every billionaire is a failure of society.

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May 28 2021 12:52am
Quote (Thor123422 @ May 28 2021 06:39pm)
It doesn't assume that at all. You read into a whole bunch of stuff that isn't in his post.


Read perfectly well "Ownership whilst others are starving is more unjust than theft." Literally translates - having/owning stuff while others are starving/having nothing is not just or worse then stealing.

IT assumes that having things while others don't is unjust. As i said on a surface that's retarded so UNLESS he expands his meaning which i didn't "reach" or assumed because i am not a mind reader then maybe we can have a different conversation. Until then he is a dull boy for sure

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May 28 2021 12:55am
Quote (Plaguefear @ May 28 2021 06:42pm)
Argue with your own strawman.
Every billionaire is a failure of society.


what strawman? "Every billionaire is a failure of society" this yet again is a straight up dumb assumptious statement and non sequitur

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Quote (addone @ May 28 2021 04:55pm)
what strawman? "Every billionaire is a failure of society" this again is a straight up dumb assumptious statement and non sequitur


No it is a fact.
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May 28 2021 01:03am
Quote (Plaguefear @ May 28 2021 06:57pm)
No it is a fact.


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May 28 2021 01:33am
Quote (addone @ May 28 2021 05:03pm)
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Billionaires without exception exist due to exploitation, if there is billionaires and homeless within the same society then the society has failed, its simple, we allow people to be exploited for the good of the few, a society should protect the good of the many.
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May 28 2021 04:51am
Quote (Thor123422 @ May 26 2021 11:08am)
Its not really a premise.

After what fact? I'm saying that in absence of any agreement or society then the rightful owner is just whoever can maintain posession of the item. Imagine we both want an apple, but you have a gun. In absence of any other circumstance the one with the gun gets the Apple. There is no other basis for ownership. You're going to eat the Apple. We don't have any obligation to each other, no enforcement mechanism, no contract.


A person who chooses to use force to take what hey want from another does not lend the characteristic "rightful" to their possession of what they took. They have taken it, and hold the power to do with it as they please, but the state of rightfulness is not conferred. Rightful is derived from reason, just as natural rights are. If I get on a plane to China and steal something from someone there, and I have never participated in their social contract, that doesn't mean what I have done is right, or that they have no claim to put me through their courts to punish me for my behavior. If I produce something of value, and you use force to take some of it from me - even with (empty) promises to return it to me through your choices of "investment," the decision to take is yours and reason dictates that without my consent, you have stolen it.
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May 28 2021 05:20am
Quote (Santara @ May 28 2021 08:51pm)
A person who chooses to use force to take what hey want from another does not lend the characteristic "rightful" to their possession of what they took. They have taken it, and hold the power to do with it as they please, but the state of rightfulness is not conferred. Rightful is derived from reason, just as natural rights are. If I get on a plane to China and steal something from someone there, and I have never participated in their social contract, that doesn't mean what I have done is right, or that they have no claim to put me through their courts to punish me for my behavior. If I produce something of value, and you use force to take some of it from me - even with (empty) promises to return it to me through your choices of "investment," the decision to take is yours and reason dictates that without my consent, you have stolen it.


So you want anarchy but with ownership?
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May 28 2021 05:30am
Quote (Plaguefear @ May 28 2021 03:33am)
Billionaires without exception exist due to exploitation, if there is billionaires and homeless within the same society then the society has failed, its simple, we allow people to be exploited for the good of the few, a society should protect the good of the many.


You got it.

The world should live on the same income. No jobs is more important than others.

Heck , people who entertain the mass are the most paid because you wouldn't comply with the system if your life was 100% work. It's their way to appease the slaves.

When there's women who make 300-400k a month for sitting in a hot tub in their bedroom, you know the world is a sad place and there's a bunch of losers enabling that.

Money mean nothing. Only your time worth something.

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Quote (SunnyvaleTrailerPark @ May 28 2021 09:30pm)
You got it.

The world should live on the same income. No jobs is more important than others.

Heck , people who entertain the mass are the most paid because you wouldn't comply with the system if your life was 100% work. It's their way to appease the slaves.

When there's women who make 300-400k a month for sitting in a hot tub in their bedroom, you know the world is a sad place and there's a bunch of losers enabling that.

Money mean nothing. Only your time worth something.


I think some jobs are worth more than others, doctors, scientists, vetinarians, not "mining corporation owner" or "exploiter of workers".
No one became a billionaire because they worked hard, every billionaire figured out a way to exploit other people or steal resources to get there.
Except satoshi.

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