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Quote (RedFromWinter @ 6 Feb 2021 20:02)
They need to setup a new ponzi scheme on a market before the 1.4k checks flood it.

i heard theres some stonks we can buy
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This topic is such a shame. People living off Stimulus. Worst of it all they happy to make a few bucks investing it in crypto/stocks when a normal job would beat all that $ by a landslide. Youth nowadays = Disgrace.

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Quote (SunnyvaleTrailerPark @ Feb 6 2021 10:15am)
This topic is such a shame. People living off Stimulus. Worst of it all they happy to make a few bucks investing it in crypto/stocks when a normal job would beat all that $ by a landslide. Youth nowadays = Disgrace.



The majority of people on this forum are not youth, think you’re confused buddy. The basis of “youth” is also what the previous generation bestowed, life is taught and learned, AKA if there’s a problem with a current generation it’s because of ties to the previous one :bonk:
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The majority of people on this forum are not youth, think you’re confused buddy. The basis of “youth” is also what the previous generation bestowed, life is taught and learned, AKA if there’s a problem with a current generation it’s because of ties to the previous one :bonk:


So wait a minute, most people here are grown men living off stimulus. Wtf?
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Quote (SunnyvaleTrailerPark @ Feb 6 2021 10:20am)
So wait a minute, most people here are grown men living off stimulus. Wtf?



Yes that’s indeed true, I’m not sure that you would classify what most of these people are doing as living but to each their own I suppose :D

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5 foot by 2 foot long system, individual conveyors perpendicular to a central conveyor. each individual conveyor a bit different depending on what they handle. central end of the conveyor had overhead bottles of condiments.
hooked up to a control box with buttons where you'd select toppings and hit go. not because we couldnt program it to be entirely automated but because it was for an expo show so it let people play with it.
all of the toppings start to finish into a wrapper 6 seconds. less if less toppings of course.
we made it based on the concept that a robot was presumably needed to automate the process, it isn't, its just the most efficient use of floor space. but our system is about 1/4 the cost. not that we're selling any, it was just a demo piece.
not super dissimilar to this but that one's more gourmet and tbh really clunky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMsNZsp4LE0
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Interesting, but I'm not convinced it's actually going to save that much as far as jobs go. You're still going to need staff to clean it and maintain it, and prep things to go in it, and everything. It basically removes the guy on the grill, but the guy on the grill is usually doing more than just grilling (well, he's probably only grilling during peak hours, but most of the time on a shift isn't peak hours).

There's a reason why countries with an equivalent of $20 minimum wage haven't implemented these things yet after all.
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Interesting, but I'm not convinced it's actually going to save that much as far as jobs go. You're still going to need staff to clean it and maintain it, and prep things to go in it, and everything. It basically removes the guy on the grill, but the guy on the grill is usually doing more than just grilling (well, he's probably only grilling during peak hours, but most of the time on a shift isn't peak hours).

There's a reason why countries with an equivalent of $20 minimum wage haven't implemented these things yet after all.


I cleaner. But all of the input automation is even more simple. Basically 1 cleaner who loads up the prep stations. 1 man show. This shit really is coming fast. Pass a 15$ min wage and you'll see.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ 6 Feb 2021 10:08)
Interesting, but I'm not convinced it's actually going to save that much as far as jobs go. You're still going to need staff to clean it and maintain it, and prep things to go in it, and everything. It basically removes the guy on the grill, but the guy on the grill is usually doing more than just grilling (well, he's probably only grilling during peak hours, but most of the time on a shift isn't peak hours).

There's a reason why countries with an equivalent of $20 minimum wage haven't implemented these things yet after all.


Depends entirely on the "restaurant". Many fast food companies, the majority of it is pre-prepped anyhow. McDonalds isn't having every head of lettuce shipped in and individually washed and shredded. Every tomato slice isn't exactly the same width due to the extremely skilled knifework of the average 16 year old. All the ingredients are shipped prepped, cleaned, and sealed by the manufacturer. Cleaning as well between each preparation of a meal can easily be automated, etc.

Realistically speaking, rather than 3 people taking orders, 3 people preparing meals, 2 people cleaning and dealing with stocking stuff up, and a manager on shift at any given time, you could boil it down to ordering kiosks, machines, 1 person to keep the preparation machines loaded and clean tables/bathrooms and shit, and 1 person who is the "manager" and doubles as the machine maintenance tech, and deals with order handling.

It's even better with the takeout/drivethrough nature of lockdowns. We're not far away at all from no internal access to the business becoming the norm. Just pick your drive up machine to prep your food or your walk-up machine, have 3 bolted in table/bench combos under cover, and provide no restroom at all. Mucho savings!
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Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 6 2021 12:47pm)
I cleaner. But all of the input automation is even more simple. Basically 1 cleaner who loads up the prep stations. 1 man show. This shit really is coming fast. Pass a 15$ min wage and you'll see.


I mean, that's always been the argument. "pass it and you'll see", but most of the world has already passed that and they haven't seen, and that's just one thing. You're also still going to need people at the windows taking payments, still going to need the lobbies cleaned, inventory, that maintenance and prep guy, etc. etc. You aren't going to get rid of the grill completely because when that machine breaks they aren't going to shut down the entire restaurant for 2-3 days until a new one is shipped to them or a repair guy comes out. You're just not going to automate away most of the jobs in a restaurant.

Like, yeah, automation is definitely coming, but a restaurant will always have a minimum number of people. I don't think that automation is coming for nearly as many minimum wage jobs as it is for the very expensive and technically difficult jobs.

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I mean, that's always been the argument. "pass it and you'll see", but most of the world has already passed that and they haven't seen, and that's just one thing. You're also still going to need people at the windows taking payments, still going to need the lobbies cleaned, inventory, that maintenance and prep guy, etc. etc. You aren't going to get rid of the grill completely because when that machine breaks they aren't going to shut down the entire restaurant for 2-3 days until a new one is shipped to them or a repair guy comes out. You're just not going to automate away most of the jobs in a restaurant.


If I can get 10 prep machine for $30K that're going to last me 10 years and pay 2 shifts of 2 people $30K/year each or I can pay 2 shifts of 10 people each $30K/year each, I'm going for the machines and laugh in your face when the machines have paid themselves off the first year.

The math isn't hard here, Thor. $15/hour * 40 hours/week is greater than $30K/year. It's not "1 machine" that you'd be dealing with. We have a McDonalds right across the street that is pretty damned huge and high traffic. Internally, there were no longer any "cashiers" as of 3 years ago. It was ordering kiosks. They didn't "repurpose" those jobs. They fired those employees. It turned out the that 5 $10K multi-lingual kiosks provided a better service to the customer than 2 shifts of 5 cashiers each at $24K/year. Legitimately, the ratings for the McDonalds went up, which is odd, given the terrible nature of the food.
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