You guys always jump to these shit arguments, where you pretend I'm advocating that Trump jump the shark into SJW land or take note of everything David Duke does or says. David Duke set out a standard that virtually no other politician, left or right, falls into. It's not a lot to ask that Trump takes note of David Duke's support of him and make an unequivocal denial.



Fascism does not look good by this standard. That's just stupid and you should feel stupid for saying that.



Trump specifically condemned them after 3 days of being pressured by the media and his own party, and 3 days of refusing to deny white supremacists when asked point blank. You're making a false equivalence because none of your attacks on Biden have stuck and the right is getting desparate.

Fascism purports to address the grievances against capitalism by harnessing corporate power for the benefit of the national community. It's pro-family, pro-employment, and pro-labor (fascism and communism fought for the same worker demographics), all while promoting a tight-knit social community based on national identity.

Who cares that the results have been disastrous in practice. So have the results of communism, and in this particular microcosm the left-wing riots of today.



None of the attacks on Biden have stuck?!? His poll numbers are collapsing because his party somehow ended up on the wrong side of public order. He is doing an about face specifically because swing voters are trusting their lying eyes over the "this is fine" rhetoric coming out of the Democratic party.

This post was edited by bogie160 on Aug 31 2020 11:18am

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-minnesota-could-be-the-next-midwestern-state-to-go-red/

"The right is getting desperate"

Wow that’s absurd. Antifa fucking hate Democrats.

After Charlottesville we got endless media coverage excoriating Trump because he had blamed violence 'on all sides' and demanded that he would condemn the white supremacists in specific. So he did. He singled out the white nationalists, white supremacists, KKK, you name it, and specifically condemned them. But he also pointed out there was violence from both sides and good people on both sides while saying the white supremacists should be totally condemned. And that still wasn't good enough, and the media screamed at him for not issuing some singular rebuke of white supremacists in a vacuum and that by conditioning or mentioning anything beyond just their specific transgressions he was not being strong enough on them.

What we have here is folks who are excusing the fact that Biden has not and will not condemn Antifa. He will only issue ineffectual statements that condemn some generalized, non-specific "violence on both sides"... while blaming it on Trump.
While Biden's own supporters go out there and hunt down and murder Trump supporters, Joe Biden has pointedly refused to condemn them.
And Trump is calling him out on the bullshit- he won't condemn Antifa because he needs that 'crazy bernie vote' and is afraid of alienating the radical progressives already unenthusiastic about him.

I'm trying to imagine how the media would have reacted, had Trump refused to condemn white supremacists at all after Charlottesville. One woman dead in a domestic terrorist attack, and imagine Trump just prevaricating and dodging on every statement and only ever giving the most generalized, noncommittal rebuke of nobody-in-particular. Because that's what Joe Biden is doing here, and the media is trying very hard to give him a free pass for it.

Lets face it, these are Biden Supporters going out and committing political violence, looting, arson and murders. And Joe Biden is refusing to condemn his own violent radicals.

I dont know why people keep claiming Portland purple hairs are Biden voters en masse. it seems far more likely Biden isnt anywhere near left enough for them to vote for.

Biden not condemning Antifa is dumb, it would lose him far less votes than Trump condemning KKK and white nationalism. a far larger swath of the far far right will vote in truth for Trump than the far far left will vote for Biden.

this can be boiled down to trigger shy politics that has crept into the DNC. they seek at every turn to minimize sound bytes, rather than actually going after moderate voters with honest rhetoric. ironic they elect a moderate but dress him up like a progressive. dont put a body kit on a toyota camry.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Aug 31 2020 12:56pm

Yep.

Biden is center-right, not really left. He's had to be pressured to take on quintessential left positions, and this is pretty normal for the Democratic nominee.

Trump is half a step from the far-right he was asked to condemn. Biden is 3 or 4 steps from the same neighborhood as the far-left.

jesus wtf i dont even

Biden is a pretty normal corporate democrat. He's "left" in our incredibly restricted center right American political spectrum.

Let’s get some facts in this thread.

Earlier in the day at the Clackamas mall parking lot (serving as a staging grounds for the white supremacist groups) the Portland Tribune interviewed Chandler Pappas.

Armed with a paintball gun, Pappas said "I came here ready for war" and warned a counter-protester "I'll drop you on your fucking head."

https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/9-news/478372-386668-man-killed-at-portland-protest-linked-to-trump-cruise-in-

These Patriot Prayer members came in and there were a lot of accounts of them using paintballs and tear gas on protesters. Here’s a photo of Pappas and his deceased associate when the tribune interviewed them:

https://twitter.com/PDXzane/status/1299850435071627264/photo/2

Between then and the shooting, there was a lot of violence initiated by the Proud Boys and Patriot Prayer members, however before all of this Patriot Prayer members were told not to bring any guns to this event. Instead they brought tear gas, mace, paintballs, and trucks to ram protesters.

MAGA Truck doing drive bys with paintball guns:

https://twitter.com/TheRealCoryElia/status/1299910101684244480

Black car trying to run over protestors:

https://twitter.com/Johnnthelefty/status/1299920356585517056

Black MAGA truck intentionally runs into protestors:

https://twitter.com/TheRealCoryElia/status/1299899574228856834

MAGA driving trucks through sidewalks assaulting people with mace:

https://twitter.com/TheRealCoryElia/status/1299908378810957825

Around 8:45pm Pappas associate is shot:

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1299932147973677057?s=20

In the past few days two BLM protesters have been shot and killed by Pro Trump supporters, so there is a very real possibility the person believed their life was in danger.

So, during an evening where Alt-Right mobs had been committing drive-by assaults with paint ball guns/pepper spray while running over protesters and pedestrians, a lone Right Winger took it upon himself to aggressively approach a protester, pull a weapon (in this case Bear Spray) and fire the spray, but was shot by the victim(s) in retaliation. The victim/shooter may have been the skateboarder shown in the video.

Almost immediately after, protest medics came on to the scene. The last thing this White Nationalist saw was Boyne Sierra, an african american rendering care trying to save him:

https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/photos-show-frantic-but-futile-attempts-to-save-victim-of-shooting-near-portland-protests.html

Boyne Sierra says that she was struck with a baton when the police arrived.

"I was one of two medics on scene when the man who died last night was shot. I barely had time to begin an examination before the cops pushed and baton-ed me off of his body..."

https://twitter.com/BoyneSierra/status/1300130924147781633?s=20

Boyne Sierra has since removed all her internet accounts, from presumed backlash from the media attention.

This was the scene captured by Nathan Howard after police secured the scene:

https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/police-arrive-to-treat-a-man-who-was-shot-near-a-pro-trump-news-photo/1228264135?adppopup=true&uiloc=thumbnail_more_from_this_event_adp&uiloc=thumbnail_more_from_this_event_adp&uiloc=thumbnail_more_from_this_event_adp

Racist cops let one of their own white nationalists die because they couldn’t let a black medic help.

This post was edited by inkanddagger on Aug 31 2020 01:39pm