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May 9 2020 08:36pm
Quote (GLYC123 @ May 10 2020 12:21pm)
They could have, and it's also completely possible they didn't. So, it really has no significance at all.

I mean, all we have are the McMichael's story. These two footage clips. And Ahmaud's mom saying he was going jogging.
That's it. Or to my knowledge at least.


You miss the point.
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May 9 2020 08:38pm
Quote (GLYC123 @ May 9 2020 09:32pm)
What i think is that if you fight a guy who is carrying a firearm and attempt to take away the firearm, there's a good chance one of you two are going to get shot. And that each party, is going to assume that whomever gains control over the firearm in the physical altercation will shoot the other.


When a guy comes at you brandishing a firearm there's a pretty good chance you're going to get shot one way or the other.
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May 9 2020 08:42pm
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When a guy comes at you brandishing a firearm there's a pretty good chance you're going to get shot one way or the other.


Beng in possession of a firearm and openly displaying it is likely to escalate the situation, depending on the state, however, it can be totally legal. I said it was a stupid idea, because if a person charges at you, the situation is going to get infinitely worse.

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Quote (Plaguefear @ May 9 2020 09:36pm)
You miss the point.


How so? I feel that saying something with nothing to back it up doesn't create a credible argument.

I mean, it's possible the guy got out of his truck and shouted, "Hey I saw you in that house, what was that about?!", and Ahmaud shouted "Fuck you!" and proceeded to charge the guy. I have nothing to back that up and am merely using that as an example to play devil's advocate to what you're saying, but it's the same point.

I'm not arguing that the McMichael's made a good decision in chasing after the guy.

In fact, I've said the opposite. It was a very poor decision.

I'm arguing that to say this was a crime of murder, a racially motivated act of hunting down a black man to kill, and using it as a sign of white-on-black racially motivated crimes being common place isn't what I believe based on what I've analyzed so far.

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Quote (GLYC123 @ May 10 2020 01:08pm)
How so? I feel that saying something with nothing to back it up doesn't create a credible argument.

I mean, it's possible the guy got out of his truck and shouted, "Hey I saw you in that house, what was that about?!", and Ahmaud shouted "Fuck you!" and proceeded to charge the guy. I have nothing to back that up and am merely using that as an example to play devil's advocate to what you're saying, but it's the same point.

I'm not arguing that the McMichael's made a good decision in chasing after the guy.

In fact, I've said the opposite. It was a very poor decision.

I'm arguing that to say this was a crime of murder, a racially motivated act of hunting down a black man to kill, and using it as a sign of white-on-black racially motivated crimes being common place isn't what I believe based on what I've analyzed so far.


The point is that if they walk the scenario I gave is a get out of murder free card.

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May 9 2020 09:28pm
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/09/us/ahmaud-arbery-shooting-video-saturday/index.html

So the man who recorded the video has also been identified, he was just some random guy doing yardwork and wasn't involved, saw an unfamiliar man being pursued by a car he recognized from the neighborhood and decided to follow them. He just saw the scene unfolding and captured it on video, and showed it to the police officers as they responded to the scene, which is what convinced them not to arrest the McMichaels.

Despite this, he is facing death threats too
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Quote (Plaguefear @ May 9 2020 10:25pm)
The point is that if they walk the scenario I gave is a get out of murder free card.


I would disagree.

Considering walking up to someone with a gun and telling them you're going to shoot them is a very serious form of assault.

If that person runs, and you shoot them in the back. Good luck defending that in a court of law.
If you don't shoot them while they run away, they just reported you for a very serious case of assault.

Plus, add in even if you aren't criminally convicted, you can still be taken to civil court.
And you also have to pay very large lawyer fees. Face public scrutiny.

The idea of being able to just shoot someone for the hell of it and come out unscathed is extremely unlikely.
It will likely end very badly for you.

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Quote (GLYC123 @ May 9 2020 07:32pm)
What i think is that if you fight a guy who is carrying a firearm and attempt to take away the firearm, there's a good chance one of you two are going to get shot. And that each party, is going to assume that whomever gains control over the firearm in the physical altercation will shoot the other.


Agreed! This is why you shouldn't draw a firearm unless it's absolutely necessary.

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/09/us/ahmaud-arbery-shooting-video-saturday/index.html

So the man who recorded the video has also been identified, he was just some random guy doing yardwork and wasn't involved, saw an unfamiliar man being pursued by a car he recognized from the neighborhood and decided to follow them. He just saw the scene unfolding and captured it on video, and showed it to the police officers as they responded to the scene, which is what convinced them not to arrest the McMichaels.

Despite this, he is facing death threats too

That's silly and unnecessary.


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Agreed! This is why you shouldn't draw a firearm unless it's absolutely necessary.


In a reasonable society, this case would lead for calls to pass a brandishing law in Georgia and maybe fine-tune its citizen's arrest law.
Georgia's only law to cover brandishing is the infamously nebulous 'aggravated assault' term. Which oddly has a whole line on "With any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in strangulation", but doesn't clarify what display of firearms counts
'law abiding gun owner' and 'responsible gun owner' should mean the same thing imo
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May 10 2020 06:10pm
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/10/ahmaud-arbery-keisha-lance-bottoms-atlanta-mayor

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The Democratic mayor of Atlanta has called the death of Ahmaud Arbery, who was shot and killed by two white men in February, a “lynching”.
Keisha Lance Bottoms also accused Donald Trump of inciting overt acts of racism.
Speaking to CNN’s State of the Union on Sunday, the rising star within the Democratic party said the killing of Arbery, 25, was “heartbreaking”.
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“With the rhetoric we hearing coming out of the White House in so many ways, I think that many who are prone to being racist are given permission to do it in an overt way we otherwise would not see in 2020,” she said.
When local police forces failed to take action against alleged racial killings in the past, she said, there used to be the justice department as a “backstop” ensuring appropriate prosecutions.
“We don’t have that leadership at the top right now. It’s disheartening.”
Trump has commented on Arbery’s death, telling Fox News: “My heart goes out to the parents and the family and friends.”
“Justice getting done is the thing that solves that problem,” the president added, saying Georgia governor Brian Kemp and state law enforcement would look at the case “very strongly”.


Its drumpfs fault
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