So who was the first superhero in this particular franchise, was it Batman and Robin or was it Batgirl?

I'm feeling too lazy to look it up but pretty sure it was Batman and Robin.

We can name lots of similar cases. Supergirl comes after Superman, She Hulk comes after Hulk and so on. Why not create new franchises for female superheroes.

How come it's no longer allowed to have a successful male oriented superhero or show. Remember the first couple episodes of the Mandalorian? Critiques were literally counting how many men and women appeared on screen giving the show bad ratings cuz not enough wamens.

Will this happen to female led shows? Never lol



I've seen bits and pieces of batwoman reviews because I subbed to HeelvsBabyface's channel and he covered that shit show. Some of his rants were entertaining.



This post was edited by Djunior on May 20 2020 12:22pm

Maybe angry subterranean males aren't the biggest market anymore?

Everyone loves She Hulk. It seems you're more mad about spin offs than social justice.

Subverting currently popular storylines is a tried and true tactic. It promotes huge initial sales.

This is part of why I never go to theaters anymore, and read and watch a lot of reviews prior to purchasing anything in 4K. Some things, such as Captain Marvel, I wanted regardless of reviews and hype, but based on those reviews, I opted to wait to get it until I could manage it for like $3 during a Black Friday sale. It was worth the $3. It definitely would not have been worth the $30.

I tend to think that if you're so "invested" in a form of entertainment that you can't simply turn around and walk away when it turns to trash (as most forms of entertainment inevitably do after a long enough span of time) then it's time to reevaluate how much importance you give to make believe realities in your life.

Captain Marvel has a pretty good antagonist in Jude Law. Average for MCU movie.

Thor Ragnarok was my favorite so far.

Don't tell Djunior but new Thor is gonna have Jane Foster as Mighty Thor and she will probably be gay with Valkyrie.

Producers of superhero movies, series and comics keep telling themselves that this is the case. Then, they wonder why ratings and sales keep going down.
They are producing a product that is geared toward new customer groups in a way that alienates their traditional, loyal and proven customers.

Simply put, those "angry subterranean males" are still by far the most important target audience for superhero, scifi and tabletop stuff. They still ARE the biggest market, and always will be.
These companies and execs keep boneheadedly refusing to acknowledge this fact because they are so hell-bent on becoming more "woke" that they would rather lose money than refocus on their core customers and their preferences.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on May 20 2020 01:01pm

That's exactly what I do. Last time I went to a cinema is at least 5 years ago.

Hopefully at some point people are so fed up with this and have become so savvy that they all give these companies the finger. Let them start to make some decent content again.

Let's make Hollywood great again? Nice red hats please



This post was edited by Djunior on May 20 2020 01:00pm

I would consider it below average. It had a weak plot, sub-par star, and relied more on "nostalgia" to make it work than anything interesting. And honestly, people who have nostalgia for the 90's probably need some professional help.

That being said, I've watched it 4 or 5 times, so the $3 is totally justified. On the flipside, the $3 for Antman and the Wasp was not justified. I could barely sit through that once.

MCU doesn't seem to have an "average" in the sense that other franchises do. You have "horrible" "barely tolerable" "more bad than good, but only just" then "Good!" "Great!" and "Should be included in every person's film collection!"

Captain Marvel, to me, was that "more bad than good, but only just" category. I'd consider average to be "Good!"

As far as I'm concerned, Ironman (the first one) was probably the best of the entire lot. They put a huge amount of thought and effort into every aspect of the movie. The first Avengers was also quite solid. Endgame was fun, but there were so many holes and brutalized character roles that it was... Meh. I'll lump it in with "Good".

Marvel may end up hurting with future movies and plans for no other reason than people having been overwhelmed. I mean, there are a few standalones that'll sell well (Black Widow) regardless, but as an overall, between the vast array of movies and TV shows it's kind of hit a burn-out phase. Of the 8 movies they're working on, the only one I'm for certain going to buy will be Black Widow. I may or may not entertain Thor and Captain Marvel, but my guess is not unless they get some pretty astounding reviews. Future and MCU tv shows are a hard no. Likewise with DC shows.



I mean, to be fair there IS an audience for what you might consider to be "SJW trash". It may not appeal to the mainstream, and it may not appeal to die-hard fans of the actual comics, but even the comics themselves have gone pretty SJW. With Ms Marvel for instance, Marvel specifically wanted to change the storyline to a teenage muslim girl prior to the first word being written. They had an agenda, and searched for writers who could meet it. If they WANT to cater to a certain element, let them! Other shows, other movies, and other comics exist.

Whether Hollywood studios or New York, it doesn't matter. In the end, there's plenty of decent content coming out that'll never receive rewards or accolades, and there's plenty of trash coming out that'll get all the attention. None of it matters really, beyond "what do you prefer". Some prefer the preachy SJW stuff. Good on them. Keep at it. Others prefer decent plots and a great story. Good on them, keep at it. The idea behind entertainment is that there is supposed to be a flavor for everyone, isn't it?

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on May 20 2020 01:13pm

Hollywood sucks because movies are too expensive to make so they absolutely will not take any risk.

You will blame it on people you don't like but its money.

A lot of people didn't like Captain Marvel because Brie Larson is a bitch. Ok, fair. She wasn't terrible in the movie....mediocre... i remember being at the movies thinking they should have spent more on Carol Danvers in terms of talent considering who she is in the comics and beinf relieved that Endgame went back to the MCU original trinity.

Black Panther was full of woke bullshit and that movie was dope.

This post was edited by Skinned on May 20 2020 01:11pm

First Iron Man, Thor 3, GotG 1, Daredevil on netflix are my favorites. I have high hopes for Dr. Strange 2, and i hope they cast Moon Knight well, he was probably my favorite comic outside X men and X factor back in the day.

Like the movie The Help. Sjw trash that a southern gentlemen would hate but the rest of us can enjoy it.