Quote (TransTankie @ Jul 1 2019 07:49pm)

I mean it seems odd that you would reach a solid conclusion that he is a victim given the known information.

Old guy is likely to be a proud boy, he's at a proud boy rally getting in the face of an antifa kid. We can agree on that right?
He's being obviously aggressive prior to the attack.
He is involved in an altercation.
Proud boys are known for violence and advocate violence as 'the best way to solve problems'.
This is Portland. In the 4 weeks leading up to this event there was a wave of 12 assaults on LGBT individuals by self-confessed proud boys. The Portland chapter of the proud boys clearly doesn't disagree with McInnes' doctrine of violence.

He may not have thrown a punch. Idk. video starts with him getting hit. Seems odd that the cameraman started filming just as he got hit and didn't show anything leading up to it but ok.

Similar propaganda tactcs have been used before by the right. The most famous recent example being Crowder assaulting an old Union demonstrator and editing the footage to make it look like he was assaulted. But numerous other examples exist.

So what we have is a situation that closely resembles other situations that have turned out to be doctored propaganda vids with evidence that suggests the man who is hurt is a member of a violent far-right organisation.

At this point it seems irrational to conclude that he is definitely an innocent victim. The jury seems out to me.

Quote (TransTankie @ Jul 2 2019 12:50am)

Try following the conversation dumbass. We're not talking about the far-right propagandist who likes to post pics of dead trans people and blame them for their murders. We're talking about the old thug who got bloodied up - the video of which the fash are using for their anti-leftist propaganda.

Quote (EndlessSky @ 2 Jul 2019 01:06)

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Quote (LA-Leviathan @ Jul 1 2019 08:17pm)

Could you imagine a group of people as mentally ill as this thing. Ouf, how embarrassing.

Quote (IceMage @ Jul 1 2019 04:35pm)

These people are basically LARPing as soldiers fighting against some fascist takeover. It's also funny how every right-wing group that marches is equivalent to Nazis in the eyes of Scaly. Is it even established that the proud boys are a white supremacist group?

Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 2 2019 01:17pm)

to add to what's been said i'd say there's a strain of the proud boys looking for a fight, literally. going to rallies hoping a spark sets off the tinder box. they started as escorts for conservative speakers, and a drinking buddy group before that (literally people proud to be boys, a humorous riff on "toxic masculinity"). Then Gavin was forced out and replaced by several slightly more militant members. Many chapters remain rather docile, but for high profile events such as ANTIFA protests in Portland, the baddies fill the ranks.

They still don't use weapons at the rate of ANTIFA imo. they're more about getting into bar fight type scraps (not that they can't still end in death or maiming). ANTIFA is more into the "war" bullshit. example: scaly's posts that are devolving on a weekly basis into rank lunacy.

Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 2 2019 12:17pm)

to add to what's been said i'd say there's a strain of the proud boys looking for a fight, literally. going to rallies hoping a spark sets off the tinder box. they started as escorts for conservative speakers, and a drinking buddy group before that (literally people proud to be boys, a humorous riff on "toxic masculinity"). Then Gavin was forced out and replaced by several slightly more militant members. Many chapters remain rather docile, but for high profile events such as ANTIFA protests in Portland, the baddies fill the ranks.

They still don't use weapons at the rate of ANTIFA imo. they're more about getting into bar fight type scraps (not that they can't still end in death or maiming). ANTIFA is more into the "war" bullshit. example: scaly's posts that are devolving on a weekly basis into rank lunacy.

Quote (thesnipa @ 2 Jul 2019 12:17)

to add to what's been said i'd say there's a strain of the proud boys looking for a fight, literally. going to rallies hoping a spark sets off the tinder box. they started as escorts for conservative speakers, and a drinking buddy group before that (literally people proud to be boys, a humorous riff on "toxic masculinity"). Then Gavin was forced out and replaced by several slightly more militant members. Many chapters remain rather docile, but for high profile events such as ANTIFA protests in Portland, the baddies fill the ranks.

They still don't use weapons at the rate of ANTIFA imo. they're more about getting into bar fight type scraps (not that they can't still end in death or maiming). ANTIFA is more into the "war" bullshit. example: scaly's posts that are devolving on a weekly basis into rank lunacy.

Quote (bogie160 @ 2 Jul 2019 01:19)

Today I learned that anti-fascists suffer from criminally low IQ, and can't be bothered to videotape exculpatory evidence.

Meanwhile, Proud Boy geniuses are deceiving the world with their sly video tactics.

Back in the real world, violent anti-fascists are caught on camera committing violence, something that we see over and over again. But sure, we can't prove that the 90 year old isn't secretly Hitler himself, so I'm sure that antifa knows what it's doing.