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Sep 15 2018 09:47am
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Quote (Melatonina @ Sep 15 2018 03:44pm)
You don't quite understand the subject ? Read again NIST study and read what they say about WTC1, they even admit it themselves...that's only 3 pages to read.

We cannot for sure re-try the experiment, but we can still use common sense, such as, first of all it never happened before.

Also we have things named physic to say it was not a commercial plane without any doubts.

The debunking of that stupid explanation can be found here.

http://aitia.fr/erd/jerome-quirant-et-le-gros-navion/

Again, I'd rather trust that guy, who is certified by the mainstream education system as a doctor and Pr of physic, than some dum journalists that we see on every mainstream media.
at least french medias invites them to "explain to the people on tv" their never invites anyone with proper competences. well yeah even in here tv is shit. funny


Youtube videos and some images that are still completely irrelevant to the context? You are absolutely laughable.

The NIST final report is 300+ pages long. I've read it before because we've had more idiots like you on this forum.

French education really is fucking terrible good lord. It's no wonder you guys stick to publishing in French journals, you wouldn't get a single one through review in English journals.

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Quote (Knoppie @ Sep 15 2018 04:34pm)
Because the law of impulse has a mass in it, relevant to the force on the beam, to make that understandable: longer, heavier bullets penetrate further, at the same velocity.
/e: but, I guess we already agreed on mass having an effect ;)


Yes .. it's right. But you dont get it either.
Density, resistance, some others things matters too..

Now if you throw a potato at 1000 mph right in the center of this thing



What does happen ? Does the potato gets sliced or does the metal grid gets evaporated like the steel beams ?
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Quote (Melatonina @ Sep 15 2018 04:49pm)
Yes .. it's right. But you dont get it either.
Density, resistance, some others things matters too..

Now if you throw a potato at 1000 mph right in the center of this thing

https://i2.cdscdn.com/pdt2/0/0/3/1/300x300/auc2009871291003/rw/l-acier-inoxydable-vegetable-epluche-patates-o.jpg

What does happen ? Does the potato gets sliced or does the metal grid gets evaporated like the steel beams ?


The thing will probably break, would love to see it.


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Sep 15 2018 09:53am
Quote (Knoppie @ Sep 15 2018 03:50pm)
The thing will probably break, would love to see it.


Our American friends might have a device that can propel a very tiny bit of lead(so soft!) at around ~600mph. I think we should volunteer this guy's head as the testing subject. After all, bone has more strength per unit weight than steel.
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Quote (balrog66 @ Sep 15 2018 04:47pm)
Youtube videos and some images that are still completely irrelevant to the context? You are absolutely laughable.

The NIST final report is 300+ pages long. I've read it before because we've had more idiots like you on this forum.

French education really is fucking terrible good lord. It's no wonder you guys stick to publishing in French journals, you wouldn't get a single one through review in English journals.


lmao you mad bro ?

Un-independant study that contradicts itself - check
NIST is 99% correct but for some details, like thoses 3/300 pages, it got cutted into pieces right here and I'm pretty convinced you aren't able to contradict this work
http://aitia.fr/erd/jerome-quirant-et-le-gros-navion/

french education ? I've been to U.L.B, Brussels. and did a bio-engineer master. Top 100 university in world
let me know who you are since I and some physic Pr are so "laughable" to you.
France and Belgium are like the most advanced countries in europe, producing engineers for all over the world including u.s. and Holland probably too hehe.
I work in a chemical lab in Luxembourg so idc about being proven wrong on a subject I havent studied much. But it seems that you dont really know better yourself if you believe NIST blindly.
You dont know what you're talking about bro

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Sep 15 2018 09:59am
I'm not even sure what you're trying to argue here. Saying there was no deceleration at all is ridiculous. The plane was traveling at over 700 feet per second. If there was no deceleration, the second plane (which we all saw hit the tower live, or on video) would have continued on its path past the tower and fallen into East Manhattan well past the WTC.

If you're trying to say that aluminum couldn't have done that much damage to steel, then you're completely misunderstanding the physics at play here.
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Quote (Surfpunk @ Sep 15 2018 04:59pm)
I'm not even sure what you're trying to argue here. Saying there was no deceleration at all is ridiculous. The plane was traveling at over 700 feet per second. If there was no deceleration, the second plane (which we all saw hit the tower live, or on video) would have continued on its path past the tower and fallen into East Manhattan well past the WTC.

If you're trying to say that aluminum couldn't have done that much damage to steel, then you're completely misunderstanding the physics at play here.


I meant, no deceleration during the penetration...

Well I guess we are a lot to not understand physic all over the world, thousands of scientifics, engineers, physicians .. but good thing SurfPunk and all his friends are right, simply because NIST (aka the u.s state) says so.

Why no pilot is able to show us how to perform a 270° turn at 500 + mph and <1km height ?

Thats right bro, no professional pilot could do that so Mohammed asshat couldn't either.

deal with it
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Sep 15 2018 10:22am
Quote (Melatonina @ Sep 15 2018 11:11am)
I meant, no deceleration during the penetration...

Well I guess we are a lot to not understand physic all over the world, thousands of scientifics, engineers, physicians .. but good thing SurfPunk and all his friends are right, simply because NIST (aka the u.s state) says so.

Why no pilot is able to show us how to perform a 270° turn at 500 + mph and <1km height ?

Thats right bro, no professional pilot could do that so Mohammed asshat couldn't either.

deal with it


But there was deceleration. The towers were 208 feet wide. At the speed the planes were traveling, they would cross that distance in 1/4 second. The video belies your notion of no deceleration. And just because no professional pilot is willing to put a $50 million+ airliner through that maneuver doesn't mean they are incapable of doing so.
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Sep 15 2018 10:25am
Quote (Surfpunk @ Sep 15 2018 04:22pm)
But there was deceleration. The towers were 208 feet wide. At the speed the planes were traveling, they would cross that distance in 1/4 second. The video belies your notion of no deceleration. And just because no professional pilot is willing to put a $50 million+ airliner through that maneuver doesn't mean they are incapable of doing so.


Plenty of YT vids out there of amateurs playing a flight sim doing that exact flight.
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Sep 15 2018 10:27am
Card was better :/
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