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Quote (thesnipa @ 10 May 2018 21:24)
was there a reading comprehension portion of the TT test?


Rofl... you defiantly shouldnt text and drive.
The U.N is a joke, they give them 45 days notice before they come...
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Quote (thesnipa @ May 10 2018 11:24am)
was there a reading comprehension portion of the TT test?


How dare you

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Rofl... you defiantly shouldnt text and drive.
The U.N is a joke, they give them 45 days notice before they come...


i quite agree the UN inspection found nothing, and wouldnt have found anything even if they gave them 10 minutes notice. i dont think iran has complied in the least, but at best they're just waiting for the time they can enrich again and working on the delivery missiles legally while they wait.
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Quote (Many_Names @ 10 May 2018 20:27)
Rofl... you defiantly shouldnt text and drive.
The U.N is a joke, they give them 45 days notice before they come...


source?
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Quote (Many_Names @ 10 May 2018 19:27)
Rofl... you defiantly shouldnt text and drive.
The U.N is a joke, they give them 45 days notice before they come...


Bullshit.

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May 10 2018 01:53pm
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May 10 2018 01:55pm
Quote (fender @ May 10 2018 01:35pm)
source?


Quote (Scaly @ May 10 2018 01:50pm)
Bullshit.


i'm not really sure on what grounds you could disagree.

Framework, which included guidelines that laid out UN inspections, were drafted in April 2015. It was then signed on July 14 2015. So between when they laid out all of the requirements and the time it was signed they had time to do pretty much w/e. I'm not sure how many days were between the signing and the inspection.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_nuclear_deal_framework#Inspections_and_transparency

I mean if i gave you a contract that said you werent allowed to have weed in your house then gave you 3 weeks to sign it you'd have to be pretty dumb not to smoke up or get rid of your stash.

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Impeach now
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May 10 2018 02:01pm
The real questions are-

1. Which puts Iran further from a nuke- having 7 years of oil wealth, infrastructure development, missile and weapons R&D and being more of a global power, or being kept struggling under sanctions, suffering from domestic turmoil, actively sabotaged by a campaign of hacking/assassination/etc, and with the threat of intervention if they get too close? On one hand they get closer to breakout during a 7 year delay and hopefully have less reason to want it when that ends and live up to their promise, but without the deal they have farther to go to breakout but reason to try for it immediately.

2. Is it really in our geopolitical interests to oppose Iran getting an eventual nuke? Would the gulf actually be safer if it could reach mutually assured destruction with wealthy, stable and peaceful states, or does sectarian strife and the drying up of oil reserves and the very nature of islam make nuclear armageddon inevitable? We are more ideologically aligned with Iran than the Saudis, and having them as a competitive power allows us to play both sides of the field to keep them against each other instead of against us, as the sunni-shiite war of the past decade has demonstrated.

3. How much could we ever leverage a relationship with Iran geopolitically when it is such a threat to the Saudis and drives a wedge between us and Israel? When the Saudis were overextended and overpumping and could bare no more teeth to Obama he had this opening, but it was only a temporary one from which they've returned, and Israel isn't our puppet state and wouldn't be kept on the leash indefinitely if we went down Obama's path of fractured relations. Whatever benefits we had from the Iran Deal, there were geopolitical costs.

4. Could any major diplomatic deal have ever survived when crafted in such a unilateral way in opposition to majority of domestic legislators in a partisan environment? This was true both for the US and Iran, where opposition outnumbered support. If any house built upon such unstable footing was doomed to fail, a controlled demolition might have been in order.

The benefit of the Iran Deal was temporary peace and stability and the potential that Iran could develop and open up enough to pose less of a threat by the point it reached nukes. The risk was that we were given them free reign to develop their nuclear tech to a point we wouldn't be able to avert a gulf nuclear crisis by force or sabotage come the sunset date when they could have a ~12 month nuclear breakout after 2025 with rapid centrifuge deployment, with ten years and trillions of dollars to put into it. It was our hope that after that point, they wouldn't have the reasons to take the plunge and go nuclear, but they'd wield that threat as leverage and sectarian strife in the middle east made it almost an inevitablity.

The pre-Iran Deal calculation and what we're returning to was the pragmatic calculation that we could make the road to a nuke so slow, treacherous and painful that it would be in Iran's rational self-interest not to go nuclear. Much like how Iraq didn't even try it after the Gulf War. With a campaign of spycraft and assassinations and hacking we could slow their program to a crawl, and threaten direct intervention if they tried to get close anyway. It put the Iranians in the situation of wanting to negotiate reprieve from the sanctions by abandoning their nuclear ambitions- precisely what the Iran Nuclear Deal was supposed to accomplish. But the calculation is one of delayed and inevitable nuclear crisis versus volatile and indefinite conventional crisis. The Iran Deal opponents at the time, Hillary's camp of establishment democrats so prominently among them, argued that we could have extracted more permanent or indefinite solutions instead of the 10 year reprieve setting a much stronger Iran loose after the sunset dates with nothing but their promise and our hope it wasn't in their interests.

I think too much of the Iran Deal debate like everything else is subsumed by petty partisan discord. Its completely mind-fucking-boggling to me that just because Donald Trump is president and did it, I haven't heard a single liberal political commentator on the radio or TV arguing against the Iran Deal even though so many of them did just 3 years ago, even though it was probably just as likely Hillary Clinton would have eventually done the same and I'd be hearing those same arguments in reverse with NPR criticizing the Iran Deal. I think its just not possible to figure out whats really in our interests when the only thing I'll ever hear is if it benefits Drunuld Drumpf or not.
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