The 1% is 3M people, not just some fat cats. I agree that the middle class are the ones getting fucked in the system, that I can agree with. Maybe the rich should pay more taxes, but saying that the poor are the ones paying taxes ...

nice try, but i live in germany, which is the prime example for federalism and the constitution clearly states that federal law stands above state law
not to mention that its not even in the competence of a state to decide how they are handling the borders of this federal state

so once again for stupid people like you, thats the purpose of having such a state

you havent delivered anything to defend your precious rogue state california except pathetic equivalences about doors of legal weapon owners getting kicked vs those of, by defintion, ILLEGAL migrants

California isn't a rogue state, it is operating specifically within its Constitutional rights.

Stupid shithead Republican voters are helping Trump cement the bullshit centralization that Obama pulled off, and which left libertarians, communists, anarchist, and socialists have been fighting alongside the right over.

This post was edited by inkanddagger on Mar 9 2018 06:36pm

Lol

OK, the current Republican Party talking point is "12 million undocumented immigrants cost Americans $113 billion a year" in law enforcement, services, etc.

That's a pretty large amount of money for sure.

Undocumented immigrants offset some of it through taxes. According to the conservative Heritage Foundation, about $17 billion per year.

So there's still about $96 billion in economic activity we need to account for, on the conservative side, to make illegal immigrants a net economic positive for the U.S.



So just in California their contribution to the state GDP is more than the entire national cost of illegal immigration, and contributes more just to California's GDP than the entire GDP of many red states.

Source: https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-03-06/californias-undocumented-workers-help-grow-economy-theres-cost

Nationally, they contribute $500 billion to the U.S. Gross Domestic Product

Source: http://www.mcall.com/business/getsmart/mc-fast-facts-how-much-would-deportation-of-illegal-immigrants-cost-the-us-economy-20170222-story.html

So they contribute far more than they cost, and deporting them will harm the United States greatly.

The authoritarian position is always the anti-American position. There's a reason libertarians believe in classical liberal economics; Adam Smith was a great analyst. Liberalized markets with free association of labor always creates a net positive economic system. Anyone who supports deportation is not only an enemy of the American federalist system, but also of the free market system itself.

This post was edited by inkanddagger on Mar 10 2018 01:50am

Everyone in every state contributes to the GDP, so that doesn't count for the illegals Because legals would contribute just as much, actually legals would contribute a bit more.
As far as their contribution to the State GDP, again, that doesn't count, except for California.

As for California taxes, that's all well and good, but the US is a "system" of states and needs to work as a system. While the numbers concerning illegals may be good for California, they are not, for the US.
Every dollar they don't pay the Fed, is a dollar that comes out of everyone else's pocket in the other states.

Every time an Interstate roadway needs repaired, a natural disaster, needs paid for...etc., there's less money than there should be to pay for it with.
As you mentioned, they also cost the US in services, law enforcement costs etc. Again we are talking Federal services and Federal law enforcement. This comes out of every legal person's pocket in the US.

This isn't just about California. Texas, Florida and New York are also the main offenders.

The only reason, we are bringing up California, is that so far California is the ONLY state so far,that has passed laws (3 of them in the article in the OP) that help hide the identities of these illegal aliens from the Fed.
This is illegal in that it goes against decisions that the Fed has made concerning illegal aliens. In this situation the Fed, (via the US Constitution and the 10th Amendment) is legally allowed to deport these illegal aliens.

The way the US works, or attempts to, is to LEGALLY require that every person in the US pays a certain amount in dollars to the Federal govt. so that the Federal govt. can do the things that the legal residents of the US ask of it.
When there are 12 million people in the US not paying the Fed govt. this money, then all the legal residents of the US, either have to pay more, or have to suffer in various ways. Ways like crappy roads, not enough money for natural disasters, welfare, not enough money for the poor to get medical care...etc.

States don't get to "just decide" how they will contribute to the good of the US, they are required, by law to pay Federal taxes. If all the illegal aliens were deported tomorrow, within a year or two, all those "jobs that no one wants" would be filled by legal residents of the US that have no other choice.

Sure person A may want a nice cushy desk job with A/C, but there are millions of people who would just as happily work outdoors in an an agricultural capacity.
Hell I worked outdoors in California for 20 years, in construction, by choice.

Also, the adage that these are jobs no one wants, is just untrue. These days "farming" for example is not the "slave labor in the fields" that it was in the 1800's. Most of this work is done by machine, these days.
Construction is another field where a lot of unskilled labor is still used, but it doesn't have to be. It's very easy to replace 10 Mexicans with a fork lift, for example.

I realize that anyone can call up an article that explains that illegal aliens are a necessary thing. But it's just not true.
I can also call up articles, proving the Earth is flat, and that there used to be giant ancient aliens on Earth.


This isn't just about California, except where it concerns a few illegal laws that were passed and California's decision to just ignore the Federal govt's decisions on this matter.

This is sarcasm, btw...

This video came out in 2010.








"Come to the U.S.A." Lyrics

Ray Stevens
If you thinkin' about illegal immigration
Be careful when you're choosin' the nation
'Cause breakin' the law in some countries is frowned upon.
Imagine that.

Sneak into China and they'll call you a spy
And ship you to Mongolia till you die.
And in Sudan they'll hang you and the camel you rode in on.

Yeah and don't go a-hikin' and enter Iran
Or you might never be heard from again.
And in Mexico you might face a firing squad.

Yeah and forget all about going to North Korea.
That's a great example of a bad idea
So when it comes down to it
there's only one option you got.

Yeah come to the USA.
There's no penalty to pay
Should you get caught illegally immigratin'

Come to the USA.
It will be your lucky day
'Cause when you get in there's lots of goodies waitin'

Like health care welfare free education
Help with your voter registration
And drivers license and credit cards
And license plates for your old car.

Lots of jobs for you to do
And employers who'll turn a blind eye too.

Come to the USA!

No need to worry about the Constitution.
We'll help you start a house of prostitution
If that's the kind of work that you wanna do.

You see those gringo infidels are crazy.
They'll give citizenship to your new baby.
So you see there's really only one choice for you.

Come to the USA.
There's no penalty to pay
Should you get caught illegally immigratin'
I said come to the USA.
It will be your lucky day
'Cause when you get in there's lots of goodies waitin'

Yeah you get public housing and cable TV
And food stamps and even government cheese.
The borders are a swinging door.
Go home for a visit and come back for more.

There's sanctuary and amnesty.
Bring the whole famn damily eventually.

Yeah come to the USA.

This post was edited by Ghot on Mar 10 2018 06:52am

Its really simple

Democrats bribe poor people into voting for them

Why do Dempcrats care so much about felon voting rights?

So, you want the USA to stop being the USA and start being like the rest of the world that we claim to be better than? You're anti-American. You hate what makes us great. You hate our spirit. You want us to be China. If you like China's immigration policies so much, you should leave our great America and move there.