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Apr 4 2011 06:27pm
Quote (Psycho- @ Apr 5 2011 12:25am)
ya cause im the one that actually knows about dog behavior. i called this guys prejudice right off on the breed and he admitted to it. the situation was blown far out of context due to the dogs breed not its actions. he was at least smart enough not to attack the dog. people who don't understand dog behavior are the reasons these incidents happen. ignorance on part of the owner and those on the other end are almost always to blame.


ha so if i have never owned a dog and never intend to interact with them i want nothing to do with a dog, its my responsibility when walking around the public to be aware of possible dog behavior scenarios? i dont have to do shit bro, its a dog owners responsibility not mine.
Same with guns i shouldnt have to worry about a dude that carrys a legal gun around, thats his burden aint mine.
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Apr 4 2011 06:30pm
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ha so if i have never owned a dog and never intend to interact with them i want nothing to do with a dog, its my responsibility when walking around the public to be aware of possible dog behavior scenarios? i dont have to do shit bro, its a dog owners responsibility not mine.
Same with guns i shouldnt have to worry about a dude that carrys a legal gun around, thats his burden aint mine.


its your responsibility if you want to avoid the scenario. if you don't care enough about being attacked by a dog to learn how to prevent it thats on you. we live in a world with dogs all around us so either put in some effort or dont bitch when something happens cause of your ignorance.
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Apr 4 2011 06:53pm
Quote (Psycho- @ Apr 4 2011 05:30pm)
its your responsibility if you want to avoid the scenario. if you don't care enough about being attacked by a dog to learn how to prevent it thats on you. we live in a world with dogs all around us so either put in some effort or dont bitch when something happens cause of your ignorance.



So how exactly am I supposed to avoid a situation where I'm playing baseball with my kid and an unleashed pitbull runs up to him and starts growling at him? Although I guess there is one way to prevent it--keep a leash on the dog. If the owner doesn't care to do that, I will continue to treat ALL dogs that do that as potentially hostile and act accordingly. Your point gets more and more lost each time you try to restate it.
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Apr 4 2011 06:56pm
Quote (JEB90 @ Apr 4 2011 07:53pm)
So how exactly am I supposed to avoid a situation where I'm playing baseball with my kid and an unleashed pitbull runs up to him and starts growling at him?  Although I guess there is one way to prevent it--keep a leash on the dog.  If the owner doesn't care to do that, I will continue to treat ALL dogs that do that as potentially hostile and act accordingly.  Your point gets more and more lost each time you try to restate it.


someones not reading thoroughly. ignorance is what caused this situation and restraint is what caused it from actually turning it into a big deal. i've never once said the owner was right for not using a leash and have said countless times the OP acted properly to the situation.

nothing bad happened in this situation because the OP acted defensively and not aggressively which was the right move. those who would of acted aggressively in this situation are the ones you see mauled and thats cause of their ignorance.
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Apr 4 2011 08:07pm
Quote (Psycho- @ Apr 4 2011 07:56pm)
someones not reading thoroughly. ignorance is what caused this situation and restraint is what caused it from actually turning it into a big deal. i've never once said the owner was right for not using a leash and have said countless times the OP acted properly to the situation.

nothing bad happened in this situation because the OP acted defensively and not aggressively which was the right move. those who would of acted aggressively in this situation are the ones you see mauled and thats cause of their ignorance.


Bottom line: It is a dog, it has almost no rights compared to a human. Nobody is going to lose sleep because it died; no prosecutor is going to bother pressing charges unless there is a provable, established pattern; without aggravating circumstances/charges (which I understand psycho is too stupid to understand what this means,) it simply isn't worth the effort for a prosecutor to further burden themselves with a case that is unwinnable.
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Apr 4 2011 08:14pm
what yo don't like dogs?
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Apr 4 2011 08:15pm
Quote (Everclear190 @ Apr 4 2011 09:07pm)
Bottom line: It is a dog, it has almost no rights compared to a human. Nobody is going to lose sleep because it died; no prosecutor is going to bother pressing charges unless there is a provable, established pattern; without aggravating circumstances/charges (which I understand psycho is too stupid to understand what this means,) it simply isn't worth the effort for a prosecutor to further burden themselves with a case that is unwinnable.


animal cruelty and abuse is a taken very seriously these days. go tell all the people currently serving jail time for animal cruelty that no one cares they killed the animals that got them incarcerated. you seem to think no one takes this seriously and you are quite wrong. if you kill someones pet and they care enough to pursue charges you better believe you're going to see them in court.
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Quote (Psycho- @ Apr 4 2011 09:15pm)
animal cruelty and abuse is a taken very seriously these days. go tell all the people currently serving jail time for animal cruelty that no one cares they killed the animals that got them incarcerated. you seem to think no one takes this seriously and you are quite wrong. if you kill someones pet and they care enough to pursue charges you better believe you're going to see them in court.


Animal cruelty and abuse are serious crimes. The problem is, with abuse and cruelty you can prove it because of starvation, not having shots, burn marks, stab wounds, etc. In a case of dead dog vs person claiming self defense, you are in an entire different realm. For one, since a handgun was used it will almost always be handled by either the sheriffs department or the local city pd. Now the police department typically won't give a shit about animal cruelty, because it simply isn't their realm of knowledge, so if they determine the person was no criminal action in shooting the dog, the police are going to give up and go home. This leaves the already horrendously overworked humane society, they have more cases of abuse than they have investigators, and once they see a dog shot in self defense when it was off leash/not pinned in, their going to probably call the owner and ask about the dog and if anybody saw what happened, and then probably give up. It may not be right, but that is the way it is. The dog owner could still sue for civil damages, and they could even win, but that would still in no way hold the person criminally liable.

It is too expensive to try a case and there is not enough evidence to convince a judge to go to trial. **The exception would be if there are any prior convictions for animal abuse or any other violent charges. (most of which would be a felony, and since the person is assumingly carrying a legal handgun they don't have felony convictions.)
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Apr 4 2011 08:30pm
Quote (Everclear190 @ Apr 4 2011 09:24pm)
Animal cruelty and abuse are serious crimes. The problem is, with abuse and cruelty you can prove it because of starvation, not having shots, burn marks, stab wounds, etc. In a case of dead dog vs person claiming self defense, you are in an entire different realm. For one, since a handgun was used it will almost always be handled by either the sheriffs department or the local city pd. Now the police department typically won't give a shit about animal cruelty, because it simply isn't their realm of knowledge, so if they determine the person was no criminal action in shooting the dog, the police are going to give up and go home. This leaves the already horrendously overworked humane society, they have more cases of abuse than they have investigators, and once they see a dog shot in self defense when it was off leash/not pinned in, their going to probably call the owner and ask about the dog and if anybody saw what happened, and then probably give up. It may not be right, but that is the way it is. The dog owner could still sue for civil damages, and they could even win, but that would still in no way hold the person criminally liable.

It is too expensive to try a case and there is not enough evidence to convince a judge to go to trial.  **The exception would be if there are any prior convictions for animal abuse or any other violent charges. (most of which would be a felony, and since the person is assumingly carrying a legal handgun they don't have felony convictions.)


if you'll go back to who this was all directed at you will see if he was being truthful he would undoubtedly have previous charges against him. he said any dog that acts aggressively he "blast" so this type of individual wouldn't be had to get jailed.

i do understand that if its an everyday person of course its most likely gonna probably not go to far just because there are so many factors and such. i was just trying to point out anyone who kills any dog that growls at them is going to end up in prison.
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Apr 4 2011 08:37pm
Quote (thundercock @ 2 Apr 2011 23:32)
If you don't understand how singling people out because of their pets iis the first step toward discrimination, then I won't be able to explain it to you.

Not sure if srs.

F?!k that dog-owner with a bag of chainsaws. His dog threatens my kid, his dog is that much closer to getting killed on the spot. Trust.
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