Quote (hedonism @ Feb 4 2011 02:46am)

You don't need to eat twinkies for the nutrients your body needs to survive, we should ban twinkies since they're unhealthy. Good thing we don't live in a country where people can choose how they want to live their lives, just figure out the most efficient way to do things and make it mandatory by law.

Quote (hedonism @ Feb 4 2011 02:46am)

You don't need to eat twinkies for the nutrients your body needs to survive, we should ban twinkies since they're unhealthy.  Good thing we don't live in a country where people can choose how they want to live their lives, just figure out the most efficient way to do things and make it mandatory by law.

Quote (bentherdonethat @ Feb 4 2011 03:55am)

That's a horrible example unless you've got a Twinkie that, in the process of eating it, causes people in your immediate surroundings to also intake high levels of sugar. And if you have such a magic Twinkie, then eating it in public could send a nearby person with Diabetes into a diabetic coma, so I'd support a ban of your magic Twinkie in public places as well.

Choose how you want to live your life if you want, sure. Just don't let your bad decisions negatively impact anyone else and you're fine. One person's rights end where another person's rights begin.

Quote (brmv @ Feb 4 2011 01:54pm)

let's add another interesting information to the debate:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/01/idUS347731415720110201

Malawi To Make Farting In Public Illegal

Quote (Wakeskater77 @ Feb 3 2011 09:33pm)

Once again...anyone arguing that driving a car/inhaling car fumes/etc is some sort of analogy for smoking is wrong. Cars serve a purpose. Yes they're dangerous, but they're also a necessity for some, and such a great benefit to others that the good vastly outweigh the risks associated with them. Thought we established this a couple pages back...but I guess not...just stop using the analogy...it doesn't work.

Conversely, smoking doesn't serve a purpose. It has no utility beyond some very minor pleasure to the user.

You argue that banning smoking in parks infringes on smoker's rights, I say not banning it infringes on non-smokers rights. This "nou" debate is getting tiresome...

And yes, inhaling smoke ("smelling") causes harm...second hand smoke contains carcinogens (already established)...outside, insides...it still causes some level of harm.

Minor harm you argue...but where do you draw the line? How much is too much? How little is safe? It would seem rather arbitrary to designate a certain amount as safe when we know that any amount of known carcinogens contribute to cancer.

Quote (hedonism @ Feb 4 2011 07:16am)

I agree, so stay away from the "other" person's cigarettes.

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I just want to let you know that after reading this post I stopped taking you seriously because of the exaggeration and false information you alluded to.  Not one scientific study has proven that any disease was developed as a result of simply smelling the presence of cigarette smoke.  If there has, please give me more specific information so I will be enlightened and informed instead of simply repeating some information I heard about somewhere (which is what you are doing).

Quote (lone500 @ Feb 4 2011 10:03am)

so if your so concerned about asthma then lets get rid of it.

http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/dci/Diseases/Asthma/AsthmaCauses.html

says that because of the western lifestyle kids have different immune system development and may cause asthma.

so we need to change society to get rid of asthma.

thats all this crap is. attacking something to take the emphasis off of the real problems. the real things people should be worried about changing.

and dont people carry inhalers for when they have asthma attacks. and if ciggarette smoke can trigger an attack then so could exhaust fumes from a vehicle.

and you talk about making bad comparisons then talk about a man swinging a stick in a crowd. worst comparison in the whole thread.

why not ban sick people from being in public then? their germs are violating my personal rights.

Quote (TeH SaNdMaN @ Feb 4 2011 05:15pm)

While a Major supporter of further research of the HH it cannot be considered fact.

Direct exhaust fumes from a car can trigger an Asthma attack but not from in the street and short of walking directly behind a car that does not meet modern laws concerning car emissions the chance of it triggering as asthmatic attack is extremely rare. You cannot say the same about cigarette smoke which is very common in triggering asthma attacks. The "being your inhaler" attitude is moot as well considering how if I had to use my inhaler every time I go to the store, park or other outside activity the medicine would lose it's effectiveness.

Clearly being sick is the same as unleashing unnecessary carcinogens and immediate respiratory irritants in a public area just so a person can get their fix.