and we've gotten there, the point in the conversation where you tell me what i REALLY was saying. which only you know of course, oh and "i know", because you know what i know.

its funny that you've identified a pattern of you being too aggressive and confrontationally getting to what i really mean instead of just being civil and asking simple questions, u just dont get the cause. more funny though is like i said there's right winged clones of you that do the same thing on other topics. it is afterall the reflex of the biased, any simple point is met with "but but but we're not as bad as those EVIL people".

Thats a fuck of a lot of walls of text for someone who isnt defending anyone



hey man ya I got a question

can you stop being a gaping yeast infected rhino vaj all the time?

This post was edited by Crunkt on Sep 29 2023 08:11am

awww... "too aggressive and confrontational" for telling you a false equivalence between making a life long crook your president and defending dead teenagers against smear attempts is "silly". boohoohoo, how mean of me.

coming from the guy who literally follows me around to take random digs at me and my family in completely unrelated conversations. can't make that shit up. stop whining already...

YOU: You're making a false equivilence

ME: no i'm not, the GOP is worse in this respect

YOU: STOP SAYING THEY ARE EQUAL, I KNOW U THINK THEY'RE EQUAL, YOU MEANT THEY WERE EQUAL

from the first post i told you what you were doing, making a false false equivalence. i told you right away, but you bull rushed through that.

this conversation could have led to a more interesting place, where i say that the reason this irks me from the DNC side is that i am pro CJ reform, and i feel their behavior hurts a movement i personally am involved in. as compared to the GOP who i just deplore for elevating dirtbags to further no cause i care about at all. but, predictably to im sure everyone, you felt attacked and had to make the case for your side while saying i got brainwashed by right winged narratives. shocker lol.

as to your gold teeth collecting grand father, follow around? lol i dont think ive even broached the subject in a long time and its been years since i put any effort into trolling you that way. but of course any time u see u have a notification from me it triggers a lot of emotions, you have a talent for carving olive branches into prison shanks. theres not much in you but hate and we both know that. feel free to give a nice kiss to papa tho next time he tells his tale of the mighty scamper to switzerland.

how desperate are you right now? you genuinely think you're on to something there, don't you? you completely missed that i only mentioned it because it illustrates the hypocrisy of your whining about someone being "too confrontational" for calling a false equivalence "silly", not because what a butthurt rando, who has to resort to trying to insult another man's family, actually affects me. you're so lost when you're mad, it's hilarious really...

also love how you deluded yourself into believing you extend an olive branch whenever you're not being an obnoxious little twerp immediately, and "only" show your true, petty colours as soon as someone dares to challenge one of your silly little talking points. expecting such a thin and fragile layer of fake politeness to be worthy of acknowledgment is the most american thing ever...

This post was edited by fender on Sep 29 2023 09:23am

i havent come at you in years tbh lol, yet once in a while i either get a triggered response from you or just reply civilly to one of your posts and get a bitchy response lol. you're carrying around years of jibes from me that you cant put down, and you've deluded yourself into thinking i'm mad. but that's always been your issue, a group of guys made nazi jokes about the german kid because it was funny, and it clearly made you very mad. all u had to do was take it in stride and it would have died in a week haha. famous german sense of humor.

if it makes u sleep better at night i can just never ever talk to you again, just lmk.

So your own source says that in 2018 it was worth around 180M, and Trump said between 2011 and 2021 that the value was 427M - 612M.

In other words, across that timeframe, he over-estimated its value for at least 7 years, likely more, by hundreds of millions of dollars, which is fraud, and MAYBE if you take the highest estimate anybody on the planet has ever given it by a factor of 2 while ignoring his fraudulently claimed land use restrictions, he valued it roughly at parity at the end of that timeframe.


I believe my point is pretty solidly made. The absolute most generous possible interpretation in Trump's favor even taking the most ridiculous assumptions is that he only over-valued his property by hundreds of millions of dollars for at least 7 years.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Sep 29 2023 10:04am

looking at the case im a bit perplexed what the point is? trump overvalued properties (duh) as compared to their assessed tax value (which is always lower than price) and this was done to???????? con who?

banks for loans? that's their responsibility to access collateral values used in loans. property buyers? i can sell my house for 20m$, its the buyers fault of they pay that.

i guess i dont understand who the defendant is? or what 250m$ is being charged for in terms of damages. eli5

Sure

So bank loans are part of a zero sum game. there is not an unlimited pool of money that banks have to loan to people

so when trump gets too much and much more than he was supposed to get that means that other people that could have advanced their businesses with these loans now dont get those loans because the bank has hit their limits (potentially)

Imagine a pig eating from the trough and stealing all the food from the other pigs..

It is not a victimless crime.

This post was edited by Crunkt on Sep 29 2023 10:22am

He used insanely overblown valuations to secure credit. You can say "the bank should have checked better", but they were relying on fraudulent statements and documents provided by Trump, including things as basic as him tripling the size of his new york apartment.

Even if the banks should have done more due dilligence, it's still fraud. There's no legal defense based on the other guy not checking hard enough when you're supplying false documentation.

It was a civil case which is why it can be solved with summary judgement. There was no issue of fact because Trump admitted his valuations and admitted the basis for the valuations which were not legally defensible. A jury cannot and would not be allowed to find him not liable for damages when his stated basis for the evaluation is "I could get somebody from Saudi Arabia to pay for it" which is why it didn't need a jury trial.


Trump's company is the defendent, because the company supplied false documents with Trump and his family and staff as actors. The 250M being charged is basically saying that he got at least that much based on fraudulent activity. Things like fraudulent access to credit.


What the reasonable valuations are will still go to a trial. A jury might well find that the judge's valuation was too low and he can't be held liable for that much damages based on that case. And they will repeat that process for each item on the list. I expect the fraud amount will be dramatically reduced since the judge isn't really expected to have an incredible knowledge of real estate, and Trump's council didn't do a very good job presenting a reasonable valuation.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Sep 29 2023 10:37am