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Apr 2 2023 01:41pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ Apr 2 2023 04:34pm)
Where these people Nazis with tatoos and all ? Were them Waffen-SS or shit ? As a reminder you made a deflection about Ukraine having nazi problem...; Now you are back 80 years ago with French Legion ?

Try to prove your bullshit in your own Djunioristan topic please. You have zero proof you are only deflecting, and now you are even bitching out on personal attack because you know i'm french.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7murkjxkfoE


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Apr 2 2023 01:43pm
Quote (fender @ Apr 2 2023 09:21pm)
i have another really simple question for you:

why do you think ukraine wanted to join NATO? what was their concern?


Bwaahahaha

*My previous 10 posts failed, let me try again, I've constructed this question that I want you to answer, uhuhuhuuu

Dude, the fact that Ukraine took that sweet bait and was reeled in by the EU (Euromaidan) and NATO changes nothing.

See what I said there, I agreed that Ukraine asked for it but it's clear that for Russia nothing changed and you've now used up your very last chance to win this debate.

Call it quits buddy, it's over ;)


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Try to prove your bullshit in your own Djunioristan topic please. You have zero proof you are only deflecting, and now you are even bitching out on personal attack because you know i'm french.



BS, just ask google if German soldiers joined the French foreign legion after WW2 and you get a shit ton of hits.

This is factual and correct, your trash deflection "it's a personal attack" doesn't save you.




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Apr 2 2023 01:49pm
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so if we agree that vladimir pootin started the war, and that it's russian troops who are killing ukrainian civilians by the tens of thousands, then why are you so eager to blame NATO / the west / zelensky all the time?
why are you so hostile towards people who sympathise with those that are being killed, whose country is being destroyed by russia?

do you just genuinely not realise how you come across? how the vast majority of your posts here pushes pro kremlin narratives, trying to downplay russia's actions with silly bothsidesisms?
when i point out that none of them justify this war you clutch your pearls and cry "i never said that" - but in reality those things are all you ever post here. what distinguishes you from any other bot from a russian troll farm? serious question.

maybe reflect on that if you can, and stop making excuses for war mongers and murderers of women and children.....


i care more about the truth than taking sides and its a well documented fact that all three parties you listed had their chances to avoid this war

especially with the knowledge they have compared to us regular people, thats why i, aside from the clear responsibility (putin), think that they deserve their share of the blame

and i will continue to call out warnongers in washington dc and brussels, who knew the escalation was coming, but the military industrial complex and geopoliticians had other plans

the hostility comes from people dancing on my nose and shoving blue+yellow down my throat (figure of speech)

the smallest mainstream infraction is being a "nazi poootin fan" and even those without a stance get attacked (of course pootin fans as well)

i am just playing the newton here, push me hard and i will push back just as hard

you cant just call everything kremlin propaganda when it does not fit your narrative, its lazy and wrong
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Apr 2 2023 01:51pm
Quote (Djunior @ 2 Apr 2023 21:43)
BS, just ask google if German soldiers joined the French foreign legion after WW2 and you get a shit ton of hits.

This is factual and correct, your trash deflection "it's a personal attack" doesn't save you.


Facts: We talk about ukraine-russia, you lose your points like usual, so you try to attack me on french legion... 80 years ago ... Guess who is doing trash deflections.

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Pretty good i must admit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ8FxGEw7q8

aller a+ la touse

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Apr 2 2023 01:52pm
Quote (Djunior @ 2 Apr 2023 21:43)
Bwaahahaha

*My previous 10 posts failed, let me try again, I've constructed this question that I want you to answer, uhuhuhuuu

Dude,the fact that Ukraine took that sweet bait and was reeled in by the EU (Euromaidan) and NATO changes nothing.

See what I said there, I agreed that Ukraine asked for it but it's clear that for Russia nothing changed and you've now used up your very last chance to win this debate.

Call it quits buddy, it's over ;)





BS, just ask google if German soldiers joined the French foreign legion after WW2 and you get a shit ton of hits.

This is factual and correct, your trash deflection "it's a personal attack" doesn't save you.


take your pills please, crazy person. again, a really simple question:

why do you think ukraine wanted to join NATO?

A - protection from russian aggression
B - to attack russia with the help of its NATO partners, triggering the nuclear destruction of the entire planet
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Apr 2 2023 01:56pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ Apr 2 2023 09:51pm)
Facts: We talk about ukraine-russia, you lose your point like usual, so try to attack me on french legion... 80 years ago ... Guess who is doing trash deflections.



Pretty good i must admit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ8FxGEw7q8

aller a+ la touse


No buddy we were talking about Wagner, I explained to you that they're mercenaries and because you still didn't get it I pointed out that shit happens when you hire all kind of shady individuals just like it happened in the French foreign legion.

This is all factual and correct, I don't give a damn that you don't like that, your claims of "personal attacks" is ridiculous as per usual, feel free to report all of this and find out once again that this is PARD (note that the D stand for Debate)

Bookmarking this ;)
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Apr 2 2023 02:02pm
Quote (Djunior @ 2 Apr 2023 21:56)
No buddy we were talking about Wagner, I explained to you that they're mercenaries and because you still didn't get it I pointed out that shit happens when you hire all kind of shady individuals just like it happened in the French foreign legion.

This is all factual and correct, I don't give a damn that you don't like that, your claims of "personal attacks" is ridiculous as per usual, feel free to report all of this and find out once again that this is PARD (note that the D stand for Debate)

Bookmarking this ;)


I'm not your buddy will never be, French Legion 80 years ago has nothing to compare with shit Wagner or Djunioristan today.

And initially you were talking about Maiden 2008 "coup" , so i answered you this:

Russia had services running in Ukraine since decades. They never stopped to influence Ukraine political life, it wasn't just a few agents for a limited mission.
As earlier as 2004 they were already trying to assassinate : TCDD poisoning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yushchenko

You better get the real picture: you are fooling no one.
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Apr 2 2023 02:03pm
Quote (fender @ Apr 2 2023 09:52pm)
take your pills please, crazy person. again, a really simple question:

why do you think ukraine wanted to join NATO?

A - protection from russian aggression
B - to attack russia with the help of its NATO partners, triggering the nuclear destruction of the entire planet


Oh another try, after almost a dozen failed attempts?

If you've read my previous answer it would be clear to you that I agreed that Ukraine wanted EU and NATO membership.

It's also clear that for Russia nothing changes, if Ukraine wanted that or not doesn't matter. The fact remains that NATO is expecting to reel in Ukraine as NATO boss Stoltenberg reminded you recently:



This post was edited by Djunior on Apr 2 2023 02:14pm
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Apr 2 2023 02:09pm
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i care more about the truth than taking sides and its a well documented fact that all three parties you listed had their chances to avoid this war

especially with the knowledge they have compared to us regular people, thats why i, aside from the clear responsibility (putin), think that they deserve their share of the blame

and i will continue to call out warnongers in washington dc and brussels, who knew the escalation was coming, but the military industrial complex and geopoliticians had other plans

the hostility comes from people dancing on my nose and shoving blue+yellow down my throat (figure of speech)

the smallest mainstream infraction is being a "nazi poootin fan" and even those without a stance get attacked (of course pootin fans as well)

i am just playing the newton here, push me hard and i will push back just as hard

you cant just call everything kremlin propaganda when it does not fit your narrative, its lazy and wrong


let's just assume that is true, the logical follow up question would be:

- what could each of the three parties have done to "avoid this war" with certainty?

to me it seems like:

ukraine: accept that the russian president determines who you can ally with. accept that you're a de facto puppet of an authoritarian war monger next door.
NATO: just reject ukraine's bid for NATO membership. tell them you consider them a russian satellite, and that you don't acknowledge their status as an independent nation.
russia: simply not invade ukraine

lmk if you disagree with any of that so far.

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Apr 2 2023 02:13pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ Apr 2 2023 10:02pm)
I'm not your buddy will never be, French Legion 80 years ago has nothing to compare with shit Wagner or Djunioristan today.

And initially you were talking about Maiden 2008 "coup" , so i answered you this:

Russia had services running in Ukraine since decades. They never stopped to influence Ukraine political life, it wasn't just a few agents for a limited mission.
As earlier as 2004 they were already trying to assassinate : TCDD poisoning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yushchenko

You better get the real picture: you are fooling no one.


Once again you're in denial, let me give you a good example--> french foreign legion war crimes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture_during_the_Algerian_War

French foreign legion is trash and the ICC should issue a bunch of arrest warrants ;)

Bolded is completely incorrect, I was talking about the 2008 NATO summit and the 2014 Euromaidan coup. Get your stuff strait for once okay, this is getting tedious.

And of course the East and West have been spying on each other and interfering where they could, this has been going on since the cold war, what do you not understand, lol
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