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Sep 19 2017 06:30pm

Quote (majorblood @ 20 Sep 2017 02:13)

Trump was absolutely correct that lines at Trump tower were being wiretapped. Trump is also reasonable in assuming that he was being recorded at Trump tower by these wiretaps(as Manafort had regular conversations with Trump within Trump tower on these tapped lines). Trump wasn't the direct target of the wiretapping at Trump tower. I'd give him about 80% on this one, far more than the initial responses at your favorite CNN.

When he says 'my lines' is it reasonable to assume he considers all lines within his building his lines?

I actually assume that manafort was taking the elevator up to trumps penthouse whenever they had something important to discuss. why would two persons living in such a close proximity have long, important conversations by phone?

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Sep 19 2017 06:33pm

Quote (majorblood @ Sep 19 2017 07:30pm)

pretty unreasonable position, you need to stop treating others like they all belong in a cult and believe in only extremes

/e you aren't being serious but I think people actually do this too often, especially people like fender

If you want to make the pivot from Trump cultist to Trump fanboy, I'll oblige your sensibilities.

Still no response to my content though.

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Sep 19 2017 06:35pm

Quote (IceMage @ Sep 19 2017 04:33pm)

If you want to make the pivot from Trump cultist to Trump fanboy, I'll oblige your sensibilities.

Still no response to my content though.

see edit

remember your original statement was

Quote

Just another story that doesn't vindicate Trump's original tweets at all, but that won't stop his cult from herping and derping.

which I find objection to.

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Sep 19 2017 06:43pm

Quote (majorblood @ Sep 19 2017 07:30pm)

What I think is reasonable is that, like trump said, Trump tower was being wiretapped. Is Trump completely accurate in everything he said relating to matter? Absolutely not. Was he accurate enough to be perceived to be at least partially right? Absolutely yes.

Don't you think it's a problem when Trump clearly just receives intelligence or (more likely)reads a story, and decides to give the whole world his feelings on it?

Had he done any actual investigating... which for him requires sending an aid to do it, or making a couple calls, he would've seen that(as far as he knows) they were just tapping Manafort. And Obama didn't order it. And it was done legally... the order was signed by a judge.

If his original claim was true, his administration would've found the evidence by now. He was wrong.

Quote (majorblood @ Sep 19 2017 07:35pm)

see edit

remember your original statement was

which I find objection to.

Well, you claimed he was 80% right, and it's not even close. He accused a former president of ordering a wiretap on him... that's a serious claim.

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Sep 19 2017 06:48pm

Quote (IceMage @ Sep 19 2017 04:43pm)

Don't you think it's a problem when Trump clearly just receives intelligence or (more likely)reads a story, and decides to give the whole world his feelings on it?

Had he done any actual investigating... which for him requires sending an aid to do it, or making a couple calls, he would've seen that(as far as he knows) they were just tapping Manafort. And Obama didn't order it. And it was done legally... the order was signed by a judge.

If his original claim was true, his administration would've found the evidence by now. He was wrong.

Well, you claimed he was 80% right, and it's not even close. He accused a former president of ordering a wiretap on him... that's a serious claim.

This isn't relevant to whether or not he was right.
There is evidence that Trump tower was being wiretapped which is the part Trump is correct on.

It's pretty hard to make up percentages for something like this. I say Trump is right that Trump tower is being wiretapped and he was likely recorded under this wiretapping, if he explicitly thinks he was the target rather than manafort he is wrong on that account. 80% on that statement. Don't like that number? Go with 70%. It doesn't really matter.

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Sep 19 2017 08:05pm

Quote (IceMage @ Sep 19 2017 08:28pm)

First off, this was reported by fake news CNN,

Yeah, CNN is usually fake news...BUT they hate Trump too.

CNN probably thought the article would make Trump look bad. Ooops.

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