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Sep 12 2023 06:51pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 12 2023 05:02pm)
Fine. So how would this work in terms of immigration? Unlike physical belongings, immigration status is effectively binary: you're either allowed to stay in the US, or you don't. If unauthorized border crossings were "decriminalized, but not made legal", what would happen to those who are caught?

Also note that those are all academic questions. In reality, the actions of the Biden admin speak louder than words: highest level of crossings on the Southern border on record, suing against attempts from states like Texast to protect their borders by their own, etc.


they'd still be deported and thats it. as it is now, they are deported and also sometimes tried in court (which is expensive) and subsequently jailed in this country (which is also expensive).
my question to you is, would you rather spend hundreds of millions of dollars to tie up our judicial system and inundate our jails with immigrants or would you rather just deport them?
these arent academic questions, these are basic questions you should ask if you dont understand how the process works

the reason there are a lot of border crossing attempts these days isnt because of US policy, its because of whats going on in the countries south of Mexico

as for the death traps that Abbott laid out, his own federal district judge ordered their removal because he implemented everything without federal authorization.
if you want to get constitutional about it, i'd argue its inhumane honestly. Abbott is a fucking psychopath
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Sep 12 2023 09:32pm
Quote (gnarjay @ Sep 12 2023 07:07pm)
is decriminalizing weed making it legal?
is decriminalizing prostitution making it legal?
talk about a reach, sheesh


If you decriminalize border enforcement and you instruct the DHS to deprioritize deportations, you've effectively stopped policing the US border. If you want to equivocate and say "well ackchyually, that just means they want to let everyone in, and letting everyone in doesn't mean you don't have an official border", then great, I'm not sure what point you think you made.
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Sep 12 2023 09:40pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Sep 12 2023 11:32pm)
If you decriminalize border enforcement and you instruct the DHS to deprioritize deportations, you've effectively stopped policing the US border. If you want to equivocate and say "well ackchyually, that just means they want to let everyone in, and letting everyone in doesn't mean you don't have an official border", then great, I'm not sure what point you think you made.


Quote (gnarjay @ Sep 12 2023 08:51pm)
they'd still be deported and thats it. as it is now, they are deported and also sometimes tried in court (which is expensive) and subsequently jailed in this country (which is also expensive).
my question to you is, would you rather spend hundreds of millions of dollars to tie up our judicial system and inundate our jails with immigrants or would you rather just deport them?
these arent academic questions, these are basic questions you should ask if you dont understand how the process works

the reason there are a lot of border crossing attempts these days isnt because of US policy, its because of whats going on in the countries south of Mexico

as for the death traps that Abbott laid out, his own federal district judge ordered their removal because he implemented everything without federal authorization.
if you want to get constitutional about it, i'd argue its inhumane honestly. Abbott is a fucking psychopath


To quote Mexico's left-wing President.

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“Expectations were created that with the government of President Biden there would be a better treatment of migrants. And this has caused Central American migrants, and also from our country, wanting to cross the border thinking that it is easier to do so,” he said at his daily morning presser.
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Sep 12 2023 10:00pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Sep 12 2023 08:32pm)
If you decriminalize border enforcement and you instruct the DHS to deprioritize deportations, you've effectively stopped policing the US border. If you want to equivocate and say "well ackchyually, that just means they want to let everyone in, and letting everyone in doesn't mean you don't have an official border", then great, I'm not sure what point you think you made.


youre arguing against an imaginary wall. decriminalization doesnt mean "deprioritized deportations", they still get deported. they just arent charged in criminal court and arent locked in our jails. its pretty simple to understand but you seem intent on not understanding the point
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Quote (gnarjay @ 13 Sep 2023 06:00)
youre arguing against an imaginary wall. decriminalization doesnt mean "deprioritized deportations", they still get deported. they just arent charged in criminal court and arent locked in our jails. its pretty simple to understand but you seem intent on not understanding the point


These Democrats raised their hand to the question of whether they'd "decriminalize" the border. You gotta be really delusional if you seriously believe that they nonetheless want a strict deportation regime. Like I said, just look at what the current Democratic administration has done on the issue. It's beyond obvious that the Biden admin wants the Southern border to be wiiiide open, and it fits neatly into the way Democrats have talked about immigration since ca. 2015 - namely as a moral imperative, painting any of the actions which would be necessary to truly protect he border as cruel and inhumane.
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Sep 13 2023 08:30am
Quote (gnarjay @ Sep 13 2023 12:00am)
youre arguing against an imaginary wall. decriminalization doesnt mean "deprioritized deportations", they still get deported. they just arent charged in criminal court and arent locked in our jails. its pretty simple to understand but you seem intent on not understanding the point


Step 1: End "Remain in Mexico"

Step 2: Catch and release into the US interior (https://www.reuters.com/legal/bidens-catch-release-border-policy-struck-down-by-us-judge-2023-03-08/#:~:text=March%208%20(Reuters)%20%2D%20A,U.S.%20District%20Judge%20T.

Step 3: "The fact that an individual is a removable citizen... should not alone be the basis of an enforcement action against them" - Mayorkas

https://www.ice.gov/doclib/news/guidelines-civilimmigrationlaw.pdf
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