Quote (Black XistenZ @ 15 Sep 2017 18:22)
trump didnt insult the kind of folks who ended up voting for him though.
and that clinton apologized for her "deplorables" comment doesnt mean anything. this apology was coming from the heart as much as her apology for using a private email server, i.e. not at all. simply put, her "deplorables" comment was honest and reflected her true beliefs; the apology was a dishonest attempt at damage control; and the people saw right through it.
and hillary didn't insult the kind of folks who ended up voting for her. what a strange "argument".
also, i have no doubt that she actually meant it and her apology was in fact not honest and just damage control (just like trump's teleprompter statement when he finally disavowed white supremacists, we all saw what he said before AND after that statement when he was speaking freely).
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 15 Sep 2017 18:22)
the trump base was out of reach for clinton even before the deplorables comment, yes. but there were a lot of swing voters or reluctant, GOP-leaning but trump-sceptic voters who ended up voting for trump despite not liking him.
these voters were of course put off by clinton accusing 25% or more of the entire american population of being racist, bigoted, deplorable. they were of course put off by clinton showing her contempt for their neighbors, friends, co-workers and so on who had a different political stance than her. those reluctant and swing voters didnt buy into the narrative that all these people, who they know to be decent human beings, were racist, bigoted, deplorable just because they preferred trump over clinton. even if clinton's comments werent perceived as a direct, personal attack onto themselves, it was perceived by many crucial voters as an attack on their friends and neighbors.
the assertion that this didnt go down well with them is perfectly logical and there is nothing "lazy" or "dishonest" about it.
if you honestly believe that clinton's ONE comment had more of an impact on ACTUAL swing voters than trump's countless insults, discriminatory comments, dogwhistles... then i feel truly sorry for you. i guess no argument is ever good enough to convince someone who just does not WANT to see certain things.
for the rest my initial argument still holds true. you'd have to be an incredible snowflake to elect someone you actually don't like just because his opponent called a neighbour of yours, who totally is a great guy, a "deplorable"... it is hilarious that you actually convinced yourself that is "what happened". maybe you should write a book as well, it would surely produce a similar amount of lulz as clinton's...