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Sep 12 2023 01:56am
Quote (theCrossbones @ Sep 11 2023 10:40pm)
trump.. so much winning
https://i.imgur.com/H8trjlQ.png


go look at his rallies. chit lawfare aint fooling any one with out TDS
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Sep 12 2023 10:27am
Quote (gnarjay @ Sep 11 2023 04:47pm)
this culture war we're in now started with the Civil Rights movement in the 1960's, and it has largely been fueled (especially in the last two decades)by Republican politicians and their advisors/special interest groups from the top down. rather than focus on things that are traditionally conservative, like fiscal responsibility, limited role of government, right to liberty, etc., they're focusing on dunking on trans people, football players taking a knee and looking at pictures of Hunter Biden's dick.

as for Democrats being "white collar", how is this any different from Republicans? I dont disagree with you but at least recognize that specific problem is not only relative to the Democrats - its almost ALL of the politicians in office are corporate stooges.


this is just nonsense lol



Trump IS corporate America! are you joking? you demonize "white collar" Democrats when Trump is literally guilty of the very same corruption. he's failed upward his entire life and has a history rife with shady, unscrupulous business dealings. maybe you meant he attempted to break from the establishment?
Trump wooed rural southern and midwestern voters with false promises and racist rhetoric. It was clearly a smart strategy but it isnt one that we havent seen before



the Democratic party is not even close to the "far left", its center-right if anything. you obviously dont pay attention or understand politics in general if you believe this lol


Trump's successful nationalist, racist rhetoric has more to do with the moral shortcomings of conservatives than it does to do with what the left is doing.
Conservatives have always wanted a bully as president and Trump finally allowed all right wingers to finally take their masks off. the hatred is out in the open for everyone to see


In the early 2000s we all believed in race blind politics, freedom of speech, and a secure border. During the last Democratic primary, we had politicians falling over themselves promising an open border. Politicians who advocate openly for discrimination based on the color of your skin. And an administration that has just lost two separate court cases over government censorship of speech.

What changed? If you don't know what the problem is, you shouldn't be surprised that you're seeing shadowy Republican operatives under your bed.
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Sep 12 2023 11:01am
Quote (bogie160 @ Sep 12 2023 09:27am)
In the early 2000s we all believed in race blind politics, freedom of speech, and a secure border. During the last Democratic primary, we had politicians falling over themselves promising an open border. Politicians who advocate openly for discrimination based on the color of your skin. And an administration that has just lost two separate court cases over government censorship of speech.

What changed? If you don't know what the problem is, you shouldn't be surprised that you're seeing shadowy Republican operatives under your bed.


this just flat out isnt true, again. the early 2000's marked the beginning of the war on terror and the subsequent ostracization of Muslim/Arab/Brown Americans.
no Democrat has called for open borders lmao - that is a conservative narrative. Biden gave the border patrol a 17% increase in funding for the FYE2023. Obama was even worse as he massively expanded the family detention centers.
all your points are just fake news, sorry to break it to you
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Sep 12 2023 05:02pm
Quote (gnarjay @ 12 Sep 2023 19:01)
this just flat out isnt true, again. the early 2000's marked the beginning of the war on terror and the subsequent ostracization of Muslim/Arab/Brown Americans.
no Democrat has called for open borders lmao - that is a conservative narrative. Biden gave the border patrol a 17% increase in funding for the FYE2023. Obama was even worse as he massively expanded the family detention centers.
all your points are just fake news, sorry to break it to you




https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/most-democrats-promise-to-decriminalize-border-crossings-during-2020-debate
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/decriminalizing-border-crossing-democrats-2020_n_5d15884ee4b03d6116392906
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Sep 12 2023 05:07pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 12 2023 04:02pm)


is decriminalizing weed making it legal?
is decriminalizing prostitution making it legal?
talk about a reach, sheesh
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Sep 12 2023 05:13pm
Quote (gnarjay @ 13 Sep 2023 01:07)
is decriminalizing weed making it legal?
is decriminalizing prostitution making it legal?
talk about a reach, sheesh

Can you point me to any historical example where an action or thing was decriminalized, but outright legality didn't follow shortly thereafter?
Also, from a logical point of view: if something is decriminalized, then legal enforcement or prosecution will be nearly impossible, so that it will become de facto legal.
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Sep 12 2023 05:22pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 12 2023 04:13pm)
Can you point me to any historical example where an action or thing was decriminalized, but outright legality didn't follow shortly thereafter?
Also, from a logical point of view: if something is decriminalized, then legal enforcement or prosecution will be nearly impossible, so that it will become de facto legal.


oregon decriminalized meth, heroin, mushrooms and a host of others drugs 3 years ago. none of them are legal today
you arent using logic, you are using a logical fallacy. I dont think you understand the fundamental difference between decriminalization and legality
not one single Democrat has argued for open borders, and decriminalizing illegal immigration is not even the same argument
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Sep 12 2023 05:47pm
Quote (gnarjay @ 13 Sep 2023 01:22)
oregon decriminalized meth, heroin, mushrooms and a host of others drugs 3 years ago. none of them are legal today
you arent using logic, you are using a logical fallacy. I dont think you understand the fundamental difference between decriminalization and legality
not one single Democrat has argued for open borders, and decriminalizing illegal immigration is not even the same argument


Is anything happening to you in Oregon if the cops catch you with meth/heroin/mushrooms? If not, what's the difference to these things being legal for the end user?
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 12 2023 04:47pm)
Is anything happening to you in Oregon if the cops catch you with meth/heroin/mushrooms? If not, what's the difference to these things being legal for the end user?


they'll still confiscate the drugs from you, you just wont face criminal charges. you see the difference?
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Sep 12 2023 06:02pm
Quote (gnarjay @ 13 Sep 2023 01:50)
they'll still confiscate the drugs from you, you just wont face criminal charges. you see the difference?


Fine. So how would this work in terms of immigration? Unlike physical belongings, immigration status is effectively binary: you're either allowed to stay in the US, or you don't. If unauthorized border crossings were "decriminalized, but not made legal", what would happen to those who are caught?

Also note that those are all academic questions. In reality, the actions of the Biden admin speak louder than words: highest level of crossings on the Southern border on record, suing against attempts from states like Texast to protect their borders by their own, etc.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Sep 12 2023 06:04pm
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