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Oct 13 2023 12:11pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ Oct 13 2023 11:10am)
No, legitimately, many things have happened. Horrible, human rights violations included.


Can you describe some of the events that happened recently, say, on October 7?

Can you also describe who these events were targetted towards?
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Oct 13 2023 12:11pm
Quote (El1te @ Oct 13 2023 11:10am)
This isn't the time to be sermonizing about turning the other cheek.

There were people like you as well during WWII, saying we should just turn the other cheek towards Germany.

And they're now on the wrong side of history.


You misunderstand me because you want to misunderstand me. I'm not referring to the idea of 'turning the other cheek'.
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Oct 13 2023 12:13pm
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You misunderstand me because you want to misunderstand me. I'm not referring to the idea of 'turning the other cheek'.


I don't think I am - I believe you are attempting to contextualize & sympathize with the most heinous atrocity committed against the Jewish people since the Holocaust.
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Oct 13 2023 12:13pm
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Can you describe some of the events that happened recently, say, on October 7?

Can you also describe who these events were targetted towards?


My understanding is that Hamas attacked Israel and largely targeted both military outposts but predominately targeted civilian areas to include a music festival, killing hundreds and taking hostages back into Gaza.
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Oct 13 2023 12:15pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 13 2023 01:07pm)
full scale evacuation (90%+ of gaza) is only required if they do full bombing. 60-70% of the people leaving to even as close as a few miles away is sufficient for a ground assault with minimal casualties.

hope is that this is what happens, israel moves into an area with stragglers, injured, elderly, etc in shelters and hospitals. and not much else.


It’s important to keep in mind there is only one major hospital in northern Gaza with 2500 beds. Independent of war, people are still sick. There is going to be a huge cost of life here that we will not immediately see. I cannot help but empathize with medical staff as well as they face this impossible problem. I empathize with Israeli victims, soon to be Palestinian victims, and professionals trying to keep it together. Here I am scolding a nurse for missed doses on chronic blood pressure meds and have colleagues across the world who don’t have IV fluids left of any kind. What a demoralizing situation on all fronts. There is a pediatrician humanitarian still there that we have been raising funds for to get her out. that was just in the wrong spot at the wrong time, giving aid to children and still stuck. If she, an American doctor, is still stuck despite all our efforts, honestly what hope does anyone else there have


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Oct 13 2023 12:16pm
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My understanding is that Hamas attacked Israel and largely targeted both military outposts but predominately targeted civilian areas to include a music festival, killing hundreds and taking hostages back into Gaza.


You refuse to speak about the reality of what happened, instead labelling it as an "attack", and the first thing you mention is that they targeted military outposts, which is a blatant lie (they didn't, and if you truly believe this, you've been deep into Hamas propaganda).

I hope you realize what you're saying here and it's not good.
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Oct 13 2023 12:17pm
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My understanding is that Hamas attacked Israel and largely targeted both military outposts but predominately targeted civilian areas to include a music festival, killing hundreds and taking hostages back into Gaza.


Its still unclear whether the music festival was targeted or was a target of opportunity. Its clear from their methods and practice that their real goal was going door to door in Jewish communities and systematically slaughtering families in their own homes, so pretty genocidal.
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Oct 13 2023 12:21pm
Quote (El1te @ Oct 13 2023 11:16am)
You refuse to speak about the reality of what happened, instead labelling it as an "attack", and the first thing you mention is that they targeted military outposts, which is a blatant lie (they didn't, and if you truly believe this, you've been deep into Hamas propaganda).

I hope you realize what you're saying here and it's not good.


It...it was an attack? They did target military outposts? There's legit videos from Hamas that show them attacking military sites?? https://youtu.be/oL6l-9Qn8SY

This is probably the most bizarre exchange I've come across in 15+ years in PaRD, where "attack" is somehow being seen as biased, neutering language. Is it better if I were to describe it as a "horrific attack"? A "terrorist attack"? I'm not sure what you want from me.
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Oct 13 2023 12:21pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 13 2023 11:17am)
Its still unclear whether the music festival was targeted or was a target of opportunity. Its clear from their methods and practice that their real goal was going door to door in Jewish communities and systematically slaughtering families in their own homes, so pretty genocidal.


No doubt. I don't question that they wanted to simply get to the other side and start indiscriminately killing people. It's horrific.
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Oct 13 2023 12:23pm
Quote (NiRo_O @ 13 Oct 2023 19:27)
Gaza people have been told to leave the area
Hamas hold them as a human shield, but since Saturday that won’t help them anymore.

I’m waiting for the day that Palestinian people will love their children more than they hate Israel.


are you too emotional to distinguish between hamas terrorists and the palestinian people as a whole, or are you using that language deliberately to make yourself feel better about supporting the mass killing of innocent children?

"just leave the area" they said to hundreds of thousands of people, half of them children, many of which don't even have electricity, water, the bare necessities, let alone transportation - "just go..." go where exactly, before the brutal bombing intensifies further?

"you have been warned" say the occupiers, who control their borders.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-rescue-workers-scared-exhausted-under-israels-air-strikes-2023-10-13/

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/as-israel-bombards-gaza-palestinians-attempt-to-flee-only-to-discover-nowhere-is-safe

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/palestinians-gaza-say-israeli-bombardment-feels-like-new-nakba-2023-10-10/
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