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Jul 25 2025 02:32am
It's not a religious issue. They use it because it is convenient and promote solidarity and it is extremely potent with brainwashing. As with most fundamentalist Muslim states.
That being said Muslim Brotherhood is intrinsically democratic. Hamas is also democratic. And they democratically wants to chase away the Jews which they believe and deem that have taken away their homeland.

It's an ethnic issue.


✅ Summary:

This quote attempts to sanitize jihadist ideology by pretending it’s just about ethnicity and democracy.
In truth:
• Hamas is not democratic.
• The conflict is heavily religious in framing, ideology, and propaganda.
• The Muslim Brotherhood uses democracy as a means to reach undemocratic ends.
• You cannot vote for genocide and call it legitimate.
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Jul 25 2025 02:43am
You're responding to aspects of the broader conflict, whereas my post focused narrowly on the prisoner exchange. i.e. its terms, ratios, and the profiles of those released. It made no claims about the morality of either side, nor did it excuse any atrocities. Noting the section where you did make a relevant argument, i.e. stone throwing etc. I will see what I can find re: the type of Palestinians released (i.e. what crimes they committed). will revert tomorrow its late here.


I quoted your first post my answer and the one you posted last and wrote nothing in GPT.

This was its answer:

His response is a typical tactical retreat, not a real rebuttal. He’s trying to deflect by reframing the discussion as purely administrative—“just the terms of the exchange”—while ignoring the embedded moral framing in his original post.

I thought I was crazy its seems I am not

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Jul 25 2025 02:46am
The countries already tinged with anti-semitism want to reward Hamas with all its political objectives as a reward for massacring a thousand Jews
France wasn't willing to recognize Palestine as state until Hamas acted by slaughtering men and babies and taking women as sex slaves.
Palestinians would have continued to languish as a unrepresented stateless people, and Hamas will secure them international recognition through the effectiveness of their wanton bloodshed and the international community's approval of their terrorism.

Of course Hamas will continue to attack aid shipments and try to sabotage food deliveries to try to induce an artificial famine. Israel has thousands of food trucks lined up, the UN won't agree to distribute them while menaced by Hamas, and Hamas will shoot at crowds. Because the more Palestinians that starve, the more likely other countries will take after France's example and throw their support behind Hamas. We're 14 years removed from the start of the Syrian war and how Putin weaponized the west's self-flagellating embrace of regressive muslim migrants to destabilize the EU. But the lesson wasn't learned, the same failings were engrained even deeper and the EU is even more cucked than ever


I’m not sure if you intended to provoke a response; I fully acknowledge you have not posted much here. Understand this is a fact-based clarification, not an attack.

Most European countries, including France, officially designate Hamas as a terrorist organization. France has also emphasized that Hamas does not represent the Palestinian people, and its support for a two-state solution predates the events of October 7, 2023, and is not born in a vacuum, context matters. Discussions around recognizing Palestinian statehood have been ongoing for years across the EU, and recent shifts reflect broader geopolitical dynamics rather than support for Hamas. In April 2024, during Iran’s large-scale retaliatory strike on Israel—following the Israeli strike on Iran’s consulate in Damascus—France, the UK, and the US helped intercept Iranian drones and missiles. This defensive operation aimed to prevent regional escalation and does not represent a change in France’s position toward Hamas or the broader Israeli-Palestinian conflict. France remains an ally of Israel while also expressing concern about humanitarian conditions in Gaza and calling for adherence to international law.

There is, however, a narrative in some Israeli political and media circles suggesting that Hamas wields influence far beyond Gaza—extending into international bodies, NGOs, and foreign governments. This projected perception can contribute to a wider feeling of international bias against Israel, sometimes described as a form of “collective siege.” Within this framework, some events on the ground in Gaza are dismissed as misinformation or hostile propaganda. For example:

(1) Claims of famine are disputed despite warnings from the World Food Programme, UNICEF, and other UN agencies.
(2) Reports of civilians being killed near aid convoys are questioned despite investigations by independent human rights organizations.
(3) The existence of a blockade is challenged despite longstanding documentation by the UN, Human Rights Watch, and Amnesty International describing severe restrictions on movement and goods in and out of Gaza.

For the sake of argument, let’s assume the Israeli narrative is entirely accurate:

(a) No civilians are starving;
(b) No one is being shot at aid stations;
(c) Gaza is not being bombed indiscriminately;
(d) Humanitarian aid is entering unimpeded;
(e) France, the UK, and the US are hostile to Israel;
(f) Judea and Samaria (The West Bank) are considered an integral part of Israel;
(g) Israel is acting solely in self-defense within its right to secure its borders.

Now consider this alongside:

(i) Public statements from some Israeli officials that have been interpreted as indicating intentions to permanently displace or depopulate parts of Gaza;
(ii) Use of dehumanizing language by some Israeli officials, including terms like “human animals,” “Hamastians,” and “barbarians,” which critics argue are meant to reduce moral hesitation;
(iii) Documented use of large bombs, including 2,000 lb bombs, in densely populated urban areas;
(iv) The ongoing expansion of settlements in the West Bank, considered illegal under international law by much of the international community;
(v) The absence of a clear, actionable roadmap toward peace or Palestinian statehood.

When focusing solely on Israel’s statements and actions, is it unreasonable for France to express concerns as it has? Many analysts believe that the prospect for a two-state solution is now extremely limited. While some may criticize France for its stance, Israel appears to show little intent to alter its policies in the West Bank and Gaza. It is likely that Israel will continue to pursue its objectives in these territories, accepting any resulting consequences, which it may consider manageable.
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Jul 25 2025 02:53am
America need to redraw from the middle east.
And then we sent a German peacekeeping force to teach the Israelis some decency.
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Jul 25 2025 02:58am
I quoted your first post my answer and the one you posted last and wrote nothing in GPT.

This was its answer:

His response is a typical tactical retreat, not a real rebuttal. He’s trying to deflect by reframing the discussion as purely administrative—“just the terms of the exchange”—while ignoring the embedded moral framing in his original post.

I thought I was crazy its seems I am not


I believe you are referring to my 2nd post in my series of posts related to the hostages. I already had a conversation with T3XBOT about that which you are free to read if you have not already (in this thread, a few pages back). I dont see the need to add anything, it was all said (feel free to throw the back and forth conversation into ChatGPT if it makes you feel better).

I have yet to respond to your other post but i will, if time permits later today, otherwise tomorrow.

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Jul 25 2025 04:20am
https://i.imgur.com/CZteI74.jpeg

✅ Summary:

This quote attempts to sanitize jihadist ideology by pretending it’s just about ethnicity and democracy.
In truth:
• Hamas is not democratic.
• The conflict is heavily religious in framing, ideology, and propaganda.
• The Muslim Brotherhood uses democracy as a means to reach undemocratic ends.
• You cannot vote for genocide and call it legitimate.


ChatGpt, Grok, Deepseek makes people :bonk:

This is the tragedy of AI and how it will affect how our future generation thinks, comprehend and look at the world.
Not only is it not helpful, it affects narratives depending on which AI you use.

The media narrative as you can see from Reuters, AP, and your BS CNN / FOX / Breibart or whatever crap from the American side.
China Daily from the Chinese.
Al jazeera
RT from Russia
Guardian from UK etc etc etc

Have already shown how they twist and turn in order to fit their country's policies and how Geo Political and Domestic narratives ought to be portrayed.

ChatGPT , Deepseek , Grok AI platforms are no different.

A China made AI will somehow be bias, an American AI will be bias, a Russian, Muslim made platform will be bias.

Use Common sense . I don't give a shit what ChatGPT says.

Cheers



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Altman
:lol: :lol: :lol:

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Jul 25 2025 04:30am
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Jul 25 2025 04:30am
When focusing solely on Israel’s statements and actions, is it unreasonable for France to express concerns as it has? Many analysts believe that the prospect for a two-state solution is now extremely limited. While some may criticize France for its stance, Israel appears to show little intent to alter its policies in the West Bank and Gaza. It is likely that Israel will continue to pursue its objectives in these territories, accepting any resulting consequences, which it may consider manageable.


There's a difference between expressing concerns and giving support to the other side. Between criticizing Israel's policies and adopting Hamas's policies.
Its absolutely an alteration in policy, instead of some vague intention to support a two state solution hinged upon impossible premises, its a change in formal policy of France to give Hamas the recognition of Palestinian statehood they've long sought, a change in status quo of international diplomacy that rewards Hamas for their attack on Israel and ensuing war.

France has long supported a two state solution on those premises, which would never come to pass. That a Palestinian state could exist with a disarmed Palestine that recognizes Israel's right to exist, that doesn't threaten its neighbor, that isn't run by terrorists, and has reunified the west bank and gaza. All those impediments to every attempt to resolve the conflict, all intractable, none of which has made any actual progress. What has actually changed? Now the Palestinians have hostages and showed how much their threat to Israel is truly existential.
France is moving ahead with its formal change in policy despite none of those conditions, which means they're giving de facto recognition to Hamas as a legitimized entity on an international stage. A reward for Hamas killing a bunch of Jews.

Netanyahu repeatedly warned this a year ago, that EU countries were looking to reward Hamas for slaughtering Jews. The status quo ante was upset by a Hamas terror attack, and the EU is trying to play out the consequences to give Hamas the political goals it sought from the beginning, which just gives into their terrorist demands and proves their tactics to be effective, which solidifies Hamas's existence. Instead of helping defuse this conflict, they'll just worsen and prolong it. Hamas is trying to stoke a famine right now, knowing that the international furor over starving Palestinians will serve their geopolitical goals. Its the very same basic manipulation of self-destructive western pseudohumanitarian impulses that Putin exploited in the Syrian war
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Jul 25 2025 04:33am
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The French have no political, economical and Military clout.

Just take what they say as bullshit.

Hamas for slaughtering Jews.

Although this is somewhat true Goom.

I think your Who, What, When, Why, How somehow started with Oct 7.
Might need to look further back. :thumbsup:

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Jul 25 2025 04:35am
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Jul 25 2025 04:48am
ChatGpt, Grok, Deepseek makes people :bonk:

This is the tragedy of AI and how it will affect how our future generation thinks, comprehend and look at the world.
Not only is it not helpful, it affects narratives depending on which AI you use.

The media narrative as you can see from Reuters, AP, and your BS CNN / FOX / Breibart or whatever crap from the American side.
China Daily from the Chinese.
Al jazeera
RT from Russia
Guardian from UK etc etc etc

Have already shown how they twist and turn in order to fit their country's policies and how Geo Political and Domestic narratives ought to be portrayed.

ChatGPT , Deepseek , Grok AI platforms are no different.

A China made AI will somehow be bias, an American AI will be bias, a Russian, Muslim made platform will be bias.

Use Common sense . I don't give a shit what ChatGPT says.

Cheers



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Altman
:lol: :lol: :lol:


Simply asked if its true you can do the same.

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Jul 25 2025 04:51am
I believe you are referring to my 2nd post in my series of posts related to the hostages. I already had a conversation with T3XBOT about that which you are free to read if you have not already (in this thread, a few pages back). I dont see the need to add anything, it was all said (feel free to throw the back and forth conversation into ChatGPT if it makes you feel better).

I have yet to respond to your other post but i will, if time permits later today, otherwise tomorrow.


I did and this was its answer.
You can do the same
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