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Sep 1 2017 06:05pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Sep 1 2017 06:01pm)
This.

This type of contract-type work would be a very good idea to deal with the illegal immigrant problem as whole. I'm from eastern Europe and honestly i wish here in the US we had the similar type of contract work migration there is in Europe. Workers from poorer EU countries head to some of the richer ones, work for 3, 6, 9 however many months and then return back home.

Imagine if illegal workers all over the southwest had the same type of employment, where they're paying taxes, documented, not abused or taken advantage of? It's a win win.


This already happens.

Overstaying work visas is the biggest source of illegal immigration, and is exacerbated by anti-immigration rhetoric because it increases the number of people who don't leave because they think they won't get back in.
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This already happens.

Overstaying work visas is the biggest source of illegal immigration, and is exacerbated by anti-immigration rhetoric because it increases the number of people who don't leave because they think they won't get back in.


Maybe if people didn't overstay and played by the rules then there wouldn't be anti-immigration rhetoric? Seems like what everyone wants is just for people to play by the rules and respect the law. Apply to work, come to US for work go back home, rinse & repeat. Instead people say fuck that and then wonder why there's rising anti-immigration.

Quote (Ghot @ Sep 1 2017 05:15pm)
One small side note.

I would add, that Mexicans coming to work in the US but not becoming a full citizen first, should be paid at Mexico's rates.


No.

Let the market & contract dictate that. Why would they sign up to leave home just to make what they were making, away from family? They are not slaves or indentured workers. Their wage should obviously be less because otherwise the American worker would be more appealing but that doesn't mean they need to be payed pennies.

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Quote (Thor123422 @ 2 Sep 2017 02:05)
This already happens.

Overstaying work visas is the biggest source of illegal immigration, and is exacerbated by anti-immigration rhetoric because it increases the number of people who don't leave because they think they won't get back in.


the issue in this case is that not enough effort is made to find and deport those work visa overstayers. simple as that.
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One small side note.

I would add, that Mexicans coming to work in the US but not becoming a full citizen first, should be paid at Mexico's rates.

/e The much better salaries in the US is why most if not all, do volunteer to come work here. Then they happily go back to Mexico where that money is worth 3-5 times as much as it would be here.

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Quote (Ghot @ 2 Sep 2017 02:15)
One small side note.

I would add, that Mexicans coming to work in the US but not becoming a full citizen first, should be paid at Mexico's rates.


Nah, thats a horrible idea. It makes mexican workers so much cheaper than american workers that it either pushes american workers out of this job market, or puts a huge pressure on their wages and working conditions.

Imho, anyone who works in the US should be paid by US standards. This ofc implies that work visas are only used to deal with a shortage of workers and not to build cheaper.

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Nah, thats a horrible idea. It makes mexican workers so much cheaper than american workers that it either pushes american workers out of this job market, or puts a huge pressure on their wages and working conditions.

Imho, anyone who works in the US should be paid by US standards. This ofc implies that work visas are only used to deal with a shortage of workers and not to build cheaper.





No, lol. I didn't mean as a permanent rule. I meant just for the Houston crisis.


/e IMO ANYone who works in the US and gets US salaries should have to become a citizen first...unless ofc...in case of large natural disasters.

This work visa crap is what's causing all the problems. In not- major disaster times. If someone is not "into" the US enough to become a citizen, then they can go somewhere else and work.
Work visa programs would ruin any countries economy.

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No, lol. I didn't mean as a permanent rule. I meant just for the Houston crisis.


ah, I see. ;)

might make sense, but also creates a dangerous precedent.
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Honestly i think Trump has a great opportunity here to get something done on the immigration front. I hope he leverages the prospect of jobs for Mexicans to rebuild and maybe get some deal in which either Mexico does more on illegal immigration or is willing to contribute to the wall?

We get cheaper labor to rebuild the Houston area. Mexico gets some of the jobs and injects their economy with cash flow. Maybe the Wall or whatever can be a joint effort in which both countries see some benefit in term of jobs & contracts.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 1 2017 08:25pm)
ah, I see. ;)

might make sense, but also creates a dangerous precedent.




Personally, I don't think it's even necessary for the Houston crisis. I mean it's not like there already isn't tens of thousands of people already there....who are out of work, and need a job.



/e

Quote (ofthevoid @ Sep 1 2017 08:26pm)
Honestly i think Trump has a great opportunity here to get something done on the immigration front. I hope he leverages the prospect of jobs for Mexicans to rebuild and maybe get some deal in which either Mexico does more on illegal immigration or is willing to contribute to the wall?

We get cheaper labor to rebuild the Houston area. Mexico gets some of the jobs and injects their economy with cash flow. Maybe the Wall or whatever can be a joint effort in which both countries see some benefit in term of jobs & contracts.


Actually, that might be a really good idea.

Our govt. lets the Mexicans work here and it turn, the Mexican govt. can either help pay for the wall, or send Mexican workers to help build the wall.

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Personally, I don't think it's even necessary for the Houston crisis. I mean it's not like there already isn't tens of thousands of people already there....who are out of work, and need a job.


Yeah, I agree with that. And let's also not forget the gigantic reservoir of underemployed latino workers from deep south texas. There is already more than enough manpower in the country.
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