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The UK will deal with it because the DUP are the biggest party in Northern Ireland, are eurosceptic and supported Leave. While 56% of the Northern Irish voted to remain in the referendum, DUP-supporting Unionists that voted remain, which are a large share of the voting population, will reluctantly go along with the rest of the UK in leaving the EU because to them it's not as bad as being an Ulster protestant in a united Ireland. If Northern Ireland became part of Ireland, the Ulster protestants would probably be pushed out and flee to Scotland from whence they came many moons ago.


hmm look like this "Sinn Féin" is on the rise since a while, thanks for this i had no idea of the parties in thise part of... europe...
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hmm look like this "Sinn Féin" is on the rise since a while, thanks for this i had no idea of the parties in thise part of... europe...


No probs

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In other news, at least we have the Nigel Farage of Italy on our side :lol:

https://www.politico.eu/article/matteo-salvini-eu-not-negotiating-brexit-in-good-faith/
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A crime or a right? Some Danish Muslims to defy face veil ban

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-denmark-religion-veil/a-crime-or-a-right-some-danish-muslims-to-defy-face-veil-ban-idUSKBN1KK1YJ

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COPENHAGEN (Reuters) - On Aug. 1, when face veils are banned in Denmark, Sabina will not be leaving her niqab at home. Instead, she will be defying the law and taking to the street in protest.




IMO, this wearing of the veil in public is all about being able to pass unidentified in public. For reasons I think everyone, everywhere should be concerned with.
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IMO, this wearing of the veil in public is all about being able to pass unidentified in public. For reasons I think everyone, everywhere should be concerned with.


Most of european countries banned the veil covering face (if not all?), next step is to ban circumcision (but it's another story...)
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A crime or a right? Some Danish Muslims to defy face veil ban

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-denmark-religion-veil/a-crime-or-a-right-some-danish-muslims-to-defy-face-veil-ban-idUSKBN1KK1YJ





IMO, this wearing of the veil in public is all about being able to pass unidentified in public. For reasons I think everyone, everywhere should be concerned with.


A right, unless it's in a place that is extra security, like a bank or prison, or where you require photo identification. Banning an item of clothing you deem offensive isn't consistent with liberal ideals, and using security as an excuse for a blanket ban doesn't make sense. Wearing masks is legal if you're walking down the street.
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A crime or a right? Some Danish Muslims to defy face veil ban

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-denmark-religion-veil/a-crime-or-a-right-some-danish-muslims-to-defy-face-veil-ban-idUSKBN1KK1YJ

IMO, this wearing of the veil in public is all about being able to pass unidentified in public. For reasons I think everyone, everywhere should be concerned with.


and they still wonder why more and more people dont want this human trash in their countries anymore

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Most of european countries banned the veil covering face (if not all?), next step is to ban circumcision (but it's another story...)


our leftist parties and islam lovers firmly resist to pass a law in germany

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A right, unless it's in a place that is extra security, like a bank or prison, or where you require photo identification. Banning an item of clothing you deem offensive isn't consistent with liberal ideals, and using security as an excuse for a blanket ban doesn't make sense. Wearing masks is legal if you're walking down the street.


its not a right to be forced under a veil by a backward belief system just because some brainwashed women say otherwise

and do realise that the woman in the article (and many more) plans to refuse the law? meaning she will end up entering banks, gas stations, public buildings etc with that thing
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its not a right to be forced under a veil by a backward belief system just because some brainwashed women say otherwise

and do realise that the woman in the article (and many more) plans to refuse the law? meaning she will end up entering banks, gas stations, public buildings etc with that thing


I don't advocate breaking the law, and as I said I support banning the veil in places where you can't also wear masks.

Banning an item of clothing because YOU think they're brainwashed and backwards is authoritarian. Glad to see you admit that it was never about security though, only about banning things related to a certain religion.
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I don't advocate breaking the law, and as I said I support banning the veil in places where you can't also wear masks.

Banning an item of clothing because YOU think they're brainwashed and backwards is authoritarian. Glad to see you admit that it was never about security though, only about banning things related to a certain religion.


well, it wasnt my idea that the religion of peace has never heard of equality, islam is the authoritarian ideology here and the trouble begins where muslim girls never have any kind of choice to wear such a thing or not

if the regular hijab, that i also dont like, but which is acceptable of course, is not good enough i suggest that sabina from the article can get the fuck out of europe
radical islam has no place here

you dont realise that your own argument is in fact not "consistent with liberal ideas"
liberal does not mean you can do anything and it also means enforcement when its necessary to make sure the society can stayliberal

you are falling for the strategy of islamists to exploit liberal societies to spread their backward ideology
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well, it wasnt my idea that the religion of peace has never heard of equality, islam is the authoritarian ideology here and the trouble begins where muslim girls never have any kind of choice to wear such a thing or not

if the regular hijab, that i also dont like, but which is acceptable of course, is not good enough i suggest that sabina from the article can get the fuck out of europe
radical islam has no place here

you dont realise that your own argument is in fact not "consistent with liberal ideas"
liberal does not mean you can do anything and it also means enforcement when its necessary to make sure the society can stayliberal

you are falling for the strategy of islamists to exploit liberal societies to spread their backward ideology


I mean liberal in the sense that you can do things how you see fit as long as you're not affecting anyone else, not that you can do anything, but I thought that would have been self-explanatory. I don't think it's my business or your business what somebody else wears, excluding the aforementioned exceptions.

Islam may be authoritarian, but my belief system doesn't change like the wind to counteract ideologies I disagree with.
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