Quote (cambovenzi @ 30 Aug 2017 17:46)

You didnt point out a false equivalency. Saying "false equivalency 101" when you see something you dont like is not the same as pointing an actual one out.
The parallels are obvious and illustrate my point nicely.

Quote (cambovenzi @ 30 Aug 2017 17:46)

Thats what it is. Trying to whine and split hairs about the way I put it and the words I used is impotent and uninteresting.
Jefferson used and others used extreme language to harshly criticize the press to. Yet, its still not calling for violence of infringing on freedom of the press, obviously.

Quote (cambovenzi @ 30 Aug 2017 17:46)

Shocker he criticizes media that goes out of their way to criticize him (often unjustly). How is that a relevant point i'm supposedly "blatantly ignoring"?

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so instead of explaining why you don't think it's a false equivalence you resort to a lazy "it isn't because there are similarities, and everyone who thinks otherwise has TDS" - and then have the audacity to bitch about other ppl's "unjustified namecalling" - hilarious...




except that's not at all what happened, i very much criticised the message, not at all the words you used - another dishonest misrepresentation of my post.
also, thanks for providing yet another example as to why your comparison is utterly flawed. while jefferson might have criticised the press, trump just goes after outlets that are critical of him while ignoring press that is demonstrably "fake" but flattering him. also, all the outlets he criticises have a significantly better track record when it comes to telling the truth than himself - but i guess you will find an excuse for that as well...



it is relevant because it contradicts your point that he is, like presidents before him, merely criticising "the press" when in fact he's only criticising the outlets that are critical of him. the fact that you act like you can't make that distinction speaks for itself - just like the fact that you only ever try to "intellectually refute" (that's outright hilarious coming from you) ppl critical of trump and not the blatantly false statements of trump cultists...

Quote (Knaapie @ Aug 30 2017 01:00pm)

It's beyond criticizing, it's refraining from any form of responsibility asked by free press. The clear waters did already become a swamp.

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so instead of explaining why you don't think it's a false equivalence you resort to a lazy "it isn't because there are similarities, and everyone who thinks otherwise has TDS" - and then have the audacity to bitch about other ppl's "unjustified namecalling" - hilarious...

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except that's not at all what happened, i very much criticised the message, not at all the words you used - another dishonest misrepresentation of my post.

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also, thanks for providing yet another example as to why your comparison is utterly flawed. while jefferson might have criticised the press, trump just goes after outlets that are critical of him while ignoring press that is demonstrably "fake" but flattering him.

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it is relevant because it contradicts your point that he is, like presidents before him, merely criticising "the press" when in fact he's only criticising the outlets that are critical of him. the fact that you act like you can't make that distinction speaks for itself - just like the fact that you only ever try to "intellectually refute" (that's outright hilarious coming from you) ppl critical of trump and not the blatantly false statements of trump cultists...

Quote (cambovenzi @ 30 Aug 2017 18:22)

Some might even say its inciting violence and in opposition to a free press!!!



Recognizing the fact that there are obvious pertinent similarities IS explaining why I dont think its a false equivalency :bonk:
You made a nonsensical unsupported assertion, yet again, when confronted with uncomfortable information that doesnt go along with the bash trump always, the bigger the better fad.


You clearly took issue with how i chose to (accurately) portray the situation.


Pointing out differences between Trump and Jefferson is NOT supporting the delusion that its a false equivalence.

The point is not that every action or detail was the same, but that presidents have harshly criticized the media in the past and that it was not a call to violence or unconstitutional.
An overtly obvious and reasonable point, which you have somehow managed to oppose and turn into more bickering nonsense in pursuit of bashing trump and disagreeing with me.

trying to reason with the unreasonable...waste of time.



He has made numerous comments critical of fake news etc that were not specific to him, and jefferson made numerous comments in support of a free press and against garbage press, especially against press that was hypercritical and libelous towards him.
Both the merit and relevance of your distinction are questionable.

Whether he is responding to media that is critical of him or not is irrelevant to the point, and does not fundamentally change whether he is criticizing the press and its relation to violence/the constitution.

when you've lost the argument, but are still unhappy, just mindlessly repeat "trump cultists" "trump shills" etc etc
then you've won! right?

Quote (ofthevoid @ 30 Aug 2017 18:15)

Criticizing a segment of the press that's unfavorable is nothing new. Jefferson wasn't critical of all the press but just like Trump, of press that's badmouthing or adverse to him. Why would Trump or Jefferson or anyone be critical of something or someone that supports them? Like do you understand basic common sense?

Honestly i'm not sure why people engage you. Not sure if there's something in the water where you live or maybe you were dropped on your head but you need to relax, take 5 steps back, and consider that maybe Trump is not the end of the world. Maybe this hysteria is politically driven and not based in reality? Nothing has changed in my life from when Obama was president so relax child, you don't even live here but you act as if the sky is falling on daily basis.

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again bitching about being (accurately) idendified as a trump shill when your very first reply was "you disagree because you have TDS" - your hypocrisy is astounding.

Quote (cambovenzi @ 30 Aug 2017 18:22)

Some might even say its inciting violence and in opposition to a free press!!!

Quote (cambovenzi @ 30 Aug 2017 18:53)

Now its "hypocrisy" for no legitimate reason on top of 'trump shill" and "dishonest misrepresentations"
well done!

You have time and again posted unreasonably, inaccurately and hysterically when to it comes to anything to do with trump and go out of your way to complain about him in unrelated threads too. Clear TDS.
An occasional mention of TDS does not replace my reason and reality based arguments.
Repeatedly going to the "trump shill!" well in place of a sound argument and directing it towards someone who clearly isnt a trump shill or even a moderate trump supporter.. is absurdly false. (among other adjectives)

Doubling down on "false equivalency" and "misrepresentations" and a host of other false descriptors without logical substantiation doesn't suddenly change the truth of what I said.
You are rambling on with insults and false assertions to appease your ego, truth be damned. Level headed rational discussion has been abandoned by you for some time now.
The eminent reasonableness of my position is apparent and posted for all to see. It has been posted, elaborated on and repeated. If you wish to keep ignoring it, fine. Have a nice day.

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Quote (Knaapie @ Aug 30 2017 01:57pm)

Can I? ^^

"11:05 And tonight this entire arena stands united in condemnation of the thugs who perpetrate hatred and violence.. But the very dishonest media, right up there with their cameras.
So the, and I mean truly dishonest ppl in the media and the fake media, they have no sources in many cases, they say a source say there is no such thing, but they don't report the facts."

Trump perpetrating hatred and bigotry aiming at ppl doing their job holding a camera, in a rally to not perpetrate hatred bigotry and violence. The irony is making me rofl on the ground. And the dude doest stop.. Hatred and hatred and more hatred against the media. Wew lad, give him a KKK hat already. Just to break taboos.

Quote (cambovenzi @ 30 Aug 2017 19:10)

im sure there is a lot you cant believe.
how dare i not be embarrassed of defending the truth of a matter against absurd insinuations!

I should totally support and take the side of anyone who criticizes trump no matter what!
or would that be anti-intellectual, and inconsistent with my morals and respect for the truth?