Fine.

You do realize I was explicitly referring to you when I said, “Don’t respond,” right? You seem to get a kick out of being hit with truth bombs. So here’s a few more:

You're reacting to an argument I never made. I didn’t equate Hamas with Israeli society — I explicitly separated them. My point was simple: violence against women is a global issue, and Israeli society is not immune. In fact, estimates show that over 20% of Jewish women report sexual assault by Jewish men, which is above the global average. Mia Shem’s trauma is tragic and real — and just to be clear, I had no appetite to delve into or expand on her story or this aspect of Israeli society, yet you insisted on giving this story wings, and now here we are.

You keep leaning on Israel’s “rule of law,” as if prosecuting a few erases the culture that enabled the crime. Moshe Katsav wasn’t some fringe figure — he was President. Berland was revered. They didn’t rise to power in a vacuum. Are you seriously arguing that prosecuting them absolves the culture that empowered them? That’s the same position you took when prison guards raped Palestinian prisoners, and yet your fellow Israelis marched against the rule of law, demanding and insisting that those guards could act with impunity. The more I contemplate this, the more I see a fundamental problem in Israeli society. I really don’t want to know this mindset — but if I have to read more about this kind of violence to understand it, I will. Meanwhile, we’ve read enough about headshots to children, starving babies, targeting doctors, burying ambulances, and dehumanizing an entire people while tanks and machine gun fire kill scores every week at aid stations.

I was careful with my words, measured and respectful — and you just had to respond. Your inability to stay silent speaks volumes. You accuse me of a “false equivalence,” but in reality, you demand collective guilt for Palestinians while insisting on individual treatment for Israelis. According to you, 2.3 million people in Gaza are guilty by association, yet Katsav, Berland, the IDF, the prison guards, and politicians calling for Gaza to be wiped off the face of the earth are just “bad apples.” That double standard runs so deep in your worldview, you can’t even see it. It must be galling when Jewish terrorists in the West Bank disrupt your narrative by attacking the IDF.

Well said

A society that openly supports buggery of prisoners is lost

Jewish society has a terrible endemic problem with rape and other abuses. Although, so does Islamic society

This post was edited by El1te on Jul 10 2025 04:29pm

let me help with the response, i pulled this straight from the TheTimesOfIsrael:

"So when Israel stops aid from entering in order to keep it out of the hands of Hamas, they are accused of starving civilians. Now Israel is distributing food and it’s accused of being inhumane. This Middle East Minister Hamash Falconer is either confused or corrupt."

not to be outdone by:

"Israel is distributing food for free, as is proper. Hamas stole food and sold it to people, with the help of UN agencies and contractors. Gaza is a war zone, and aid distribution is not going to proceed without some problems. But it's clear which approach is more "humane.""

or "The IDF has said it only shot at suspects deemed to be potentially endangering troops, not at civilians." (this one is very confusing because they dont acknowledge the existence of civilians).

https://www.timesofisrael.com/un-says-nearly-800-palestinian-aid-seekers-killed-since-may-mostly-near-ghf-sites/

also to be clear the official line from Israel is that no one was killed. "GHF, which denies that deadly incidents have occurred at its sites, told Reuters the UN figures were “false and misleading.”

This post was edited by ferdia on Jul 12 2025 01:20am

Sexual abuse is a deeply serious issue, but it’s not unique to any one religion or culture. It exists across all societies: religious, secular, Western, and non-Western alike.

available data shows that reported rape rates in Israel are significantly lower than in many Western countries, including Sweden, the UK, France, and even the United States. That does not mean Israel is free of problems. No country is. But it does show that you should not generalize or single out entire communities.

What matters more is how societies respond. Whether victims are believed. Whether justice systems work. Whether there is transparency and accountability. These are challenges every society grapples with, and no religion or culture has a monopoly on them.

I sure wouldn't report them in Israel either. You being raped might turn to something far worse real quick.

This post was edited by SBD on Jul 12 2025 09:11am

Like imprisonment of a president?
We take sexual assault seriously here.
There is a problem in orthodox society where they prefer to solve it in their own twisted way but majority of Israelis will report sexual assault.

I believe the point was the prevalence of sexual assault against pali prisoners and not what happens in the israeli gen pop.

To be fair though, that kinda shit happens all the time in war, and its most certainly not unique to israelis. If an israeli soldier got captured by hamas now, theyre definitely getting sodomized, so it boils down to fighting fire with fire.