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Jul 28 2018 06:53pm
Quote (zarkadon @ Jul 29 2018 12:19am)
It's long term thinking. I'd take a deal where both sides lose as long as it sends out two messages:

1. If you're in, you're in and committed to european integration; if you're out, you're out for real.
2. Leaving won't make life better for you (deterrence).

This will help the EU in the long term, and solidify the nonnegotiable process of further integration. It's not a personal grudge... I've always said, even before Cameron announced a brexit referendum, that the UK and the rest of the EU should part ways, as it has always been obvious that the former didn't believe in or desire european integration.


I'd take that too. I'd rather have a complete split with the EU and lose 1-2% of GDP than remain in the EU or have a status quo deal. In the UK, even remainers like myself have never wanted a United States of Europe and voted purely for guaranteed economic stability.

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Jul 28 2018 08:02pm
just to calm down our local pard neo nazis
on the other hand we can see that Merkel made her country to take a big load of it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44660699



and Trump who want to spread war to Iran...

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Jul 28 2018 08:04pm
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Jul 28 2018 08:04pm
the last time someone was shot trying to flee to west germany was 1989......you're welcome GeRmany
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Jul 29 2018 01:35am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Jul 29 2018 03:02am)
just to calm down our local pard neo nazis
on the other hand we can see that Merkel made her country to take a big load of it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44660699

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/590/cpsprodpb/10B09/production/_102416386_chart-migrants_italy_greece_spain-4sp79-nc.png

and Trump who want to spread war to Iran...


I've always had the sense that Merkel accepted all these migrants to make a point about Germany stepping out of the shadow of its dark past, rather than for any logical reason.
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Jul 29 2018 01:46am
Quote (dro94 @ Jul 29 2018 03:35am)
I've always had the sense that Merkel accepted all these migrants to make a point about Germany stepping out of the shadow of its dark past, rather than for any logical reason.




Well there damn sure doesn't seem to be any logical reason, so maybe you got something there.
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Jul 29 2018 03:27am
Quote (dro94 @ 29 Jul 2018 08:35)
I've always had the sense that Merkel accepted all these migrants to make a point about Germany stepping out of the shadow of its dark past, rather than for any logical reason.


yes, this and one of the worse birthrate.

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Lets go back on good news:

https://news.sky.com/story/prepare-for-a-united-ireland-says-ex-dup-leader-peter-robinson-11452266

he's right you know
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Jul 29 2018 04:30am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Jul 29 2018 10:27am)
yes, this and one of the worse birthrate.

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Lets go back on good news:

https://news.sky.com/story/prepare-for-a-united-ireland-says-ex-dup-leader-peter-robinson-11452266

he's right you know


The nationalists are only polling between 20-40% approval and the DUP would never agree to a referendum on the issue. A united Ireland hasn't been feasible for 20+ years, there's a higher chance of #italeave to be honest.

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Jul 29 2018 04:38am
Quote (dro94 @ 29 Jul 2018 11:30)
The nationalists are only polling between 20-40% approval and the DUP would never agree to a referendum on the issue. A united Ireland hasn't been feasible for 20+ years, there's a higher chance of #italeave to be honest.


allright, it's true that some recent poll gave 42% for united ireland, done in north (i dont know what the south think)
Btw look like 69% of north ireland is for a remain now, i have no idea how uk can deal with it without serious troubles.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/brexit/brexit-northern-ireland-support-to-remain-in-eu-soars-to-69-36928116.html
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Jul 29 2018 04:52am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Jul 29 2018 11:38am)
allright, it's true that some recent poll gave 42% for united ireland, done in north (i dont know what the south think)
Btw look like 69% of north ireland is for a remain now, i have no idea how uk can deal with it without serious troubles.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/brexit/brexit-northern-ireland-support-to-remain-in-eu-soars-to-69-36928116.html


The UK will deal with it because the DUP are the biggest party in Northern Ireland, are eurosceptic and supported Leave. While 56% of the Northern Irish voted to remain in the referendum, DUP-supporting Unionists that voted remain, which are a large share of the voting population, will reluctantly go along with the rest of the UK in leaving the EU because to them it's not as bad as being an Ulster protestant in a united Ireland. If Northern Ireland became part of Ireland, the Ulster protestants would probably be pushed out and flee to Scotland from whence they came many moons ago.
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Jul 29 2018 04:59am
Quote (dro94 @ 29 Jul 2018 09:35)
I've always had the sense that Merkel accepted all these migrants to make a point about Germany stepping out of the shadow of its dark past, rather than for any logical reason.


its just crazy moralism, "look at us, we are the greatest humanitarians and you are not"

with the "dark times" logic almost all european countries would have to accept miillions
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