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Jul 2 2022 03:01pm
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Republicans are in their respective state legislatures. As someone who is pro-life, I urge you to join me it not DENYING these facts but explaining to people why it's in the best interest of all individuals to carry a baby to term no matter the circumstances of conception. Fundamentally, it's not the fault of the fetus that they were conceived.

Do you seriously think it is in the best interest of a 10- or 12-year old rape victim to carry the pregnancy to term?
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Jul 2 2022 03:27pm
Quote (Surfpunk @ Jul 2 2022 03:55pm)
This. Those laws may have been on the books for years or decades, but they've been held at bay due to Roe, until now.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/3541340-ohio-abortion-clinics-challenge-state-ban/

This challenge was rejected yesterday by the Ohio Supreme Court, which means that the six-week ban went into effect yesterday, not years ago.


The six week ban became law in 2019. With an oddly similar story about a young girl not being able to have an abortion. So when that law was written and passed, where was your outrage?
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Jul 2 2022 03:35pm
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The six week ban became law in 2019. With an oddly similar story about a young girl not being able to have an abortion. So when that law was written and passed, where was your outrage?


That law has been on hold since 2019 due to a legal injunction (again, because of Roe), and did not go into effect until yesterday.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2022/06/29/ohio-abortion-law-what-know-six-week-ban-ectopic-pregnancy/7748045001/

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Jul 2 2022 03:38pm
So the story is the girl had to travel to Indiana to kill the baby, not the fact that a dude fucked a ten year old…….
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So the story is the girl had to travel to Indiana to kill the baby, not the fact that a dude fucked a ten year old…….


There aren't details about it, because of her age. Absolutely, someone fucking a ten-year old needs to be thrown in jail and have the key tossed away. But you're not going to get details like the rapist's name, etc in a news story because even that could potentially identify the victim.

So calm your tits.
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Jul 2 2022 07:28pm
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Do you seriously think it is in the best interest of a 10- or 12-year old rape victim to carry the pregnancy to term?


I think a committee of medical professionals should determine if it would impact the future health of the girl. I'm okay with making an exception if it would make the girl infertile, would cripple her, etc. However, we must come from the position that the method of conception shouldn't impact whether or not something has the right to live.

We fought for 50 years to overturn Roe. We have the courts, the votes, and the guns. It's in the best interest of pro-abortionists to tread lightly.
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Jul 2 2022 07:33pm
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I think a committee of medical professionals should determine if it would impact the future health of the girl. I'm okay with making an exception if it would make the girl infertile, would cripple her, etc. However, we must come from the position that the method of conception shouldn't impact whether or not something has the right to live.

We fought for 50 years to overturn Roe. We have the courts, the votes, and the guns. It's in the best interest of pro-abortionists to tread lightly.


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I think a committee of medical professionals should determine if it would impact the future health of the girl.


Ah, let's bring back Nazi medical science. :)
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Jul 2 2022 07:45pm
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I think a committee of medical professionals should determine if it would impact the future health of the girl. I'm okay with making an exception if it would make the girl infertile, would cripple her, etc. However, we must come from the position that the method of conception shouldn't impact whether or not something has the right to live.

We fought for 50 years to overturn Roe. We have the courts, the votes, and the guns. It's in the best interest of pro-abortionists to tread lightly.


If the radicals gain the upper hand on the pro-life side of this debate, they won't have the votes (nor the courts) for too long. Forcing a minor rape victim to carry her rapist's child to term is not only a callous stance and morally repugnant, it is also politically radioactive. Pro-life purists have to come to terms with the idea that abortion will, as an absolute minimum, need to include exceptions for rape or the life of the mother. If they can't even bring themselves to accept such a common-sense minimal compromise, they will turn 70+% of the country against them and lose everything in the end.

They might get away with it this cycle, but even in 2022, I would expect this issue to blunt the red wave a bit if it gains further salience. And ofc not every election cycle will be dominated by decades-high inflation and a hapless, low-energy Dem president.
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Jul 2 2022 07:49pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 2 Jul 2022 18:45)
If the radicals gain the upper hand on the pro-life side of this debate, they won't have the votes (nor the courts) for too long. Forcing a minor rape victim to carry her rapist's child to term is not only a callous stance and morally repugnant, it is also politically radioactive. Pro-life purists have to come to terms with the idea that abortion will, as an absolute minimum, need to include exceptions for rape or the life of the mother. If they can't even bring themselves to accept such a common-sense minimal compromise, they will turn 70+% of the country against them and lose everything in the end.

They might get away with it this cycle, but even in 2022, I would expect this issue to blunt the red wave a bit if it gains further salience. And ofc not every election cycle will be dominated by decades-high inflation and a hapless, low-energy Dem president.


I'm curious of something. Not disagreeing with a single word you're saying in it's own context. What I want to know is... Not only how do we know this girl got pregnant at all when we know zero details whatsoever, or that this girl even exists but... She has clearly hit puberty if she got pregnant. How do we know a 10 year old boy in her class wasn't "discovering their body" with her, and it wasn't mutual? Where's the proof or claim or accusation of rape?

I'm defending nothing, and claiming nothing. What I'm saying is the timing is suspect, and I've been seeing stories like these since I was a child. Going on 40 years of these stories, none of which includes a single relevant detail. Why should I believe the girl even exists, let alone that she was "raped" or that she was "raped" by a "man" as opposed to having relations with her neighborhood boy of the same age?

Not saying jumping to a conclusion makes you wrong, but how many black men did Rittenhouse kill again?
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