This is also my take on what's been going on. I also think the UK should hard brexit.
I get the feeling that the EU is getting a bit out of hand as it pertains to those countries IN the EU. I see too many EU countries not too happy with the EU's policies.

not only are they in a weak position in terms of who has more to lose regarding the importance of trade with each other, the EU has additional incentive to be strong as a deterrent to other members trying to leave and negotiate a better deal for themselves - something you would have to factor in as well if you're trying to make the argument that the EU can't possibly risk trade with the UK (which again, is significantly less important than the other way around).

European Union has no other choice than making Brexit a failure for UK, especially on the eyes of the world.
Sorry UK, really

dont let the hate get to you, you will be just fine
the corporations will tell their EU puppets to make a good deal for business



since when do contracts, laws or anything of that matter in europe?



a frenchie talks about failure.....well

This post was edited by ampoo on Jul 28 2018 07:20am

lmk what is your "victory", Adolf ?

Most of the Europeans in this thread are emotional and want to punish the UK due to a personal vendetta, despite it being an economic failure for both. How dare they leave, always wanting special treatment, never considered themselves true Europeans, arrogant, the list goes on...

At this rate it looks like we'll agree to something much resembling what we're currently in now and it will have all been a pointless exercise anyway.

First, the "arrogant" is definitely UK in this story, for being such a bad boy (or bad girl) since decades about EU, always trying to grab this or that specific advantage but WELL, ok, we learnt to deal with it.
Second; -unfortunately- your country managed to get a referendum pushed up by stupid populism, note down how your politics left the place once it happened (even the "winners"...)
Third; lets be POSITIVE: maybe this kind of embarassment can help in making a better europe... Now please suffer for the salvation of EUROPE.

Point proven

how daft can a person be? how often do i have to explain that regarding our negotiation team (some individuals in this forum might see it differently, but 'most' is certainly wrong - and it's irrelevant anyway), this has nothing to do with 'punishment', let alone 'vendetta' (you might want to google that btw), but that it's vital for the existence of the EU to send a strong signal that you're not better off leaving the union? all i'm saying is that UK's insisting on special treatment in the past and their refusal to acknowledge the core principles of the EU certainly won't help them in the negotiations.

regarding the influence and interests of business - OF COURSE both sides will be looking for a solution that hurts their economies the least, of course we will still trade with each other, of course both sides will be 'fine' globally speaking, but to assume that you can get complete control of your borders AND free access is just stupid, that's all i'm saying - and it's really strange to see people struggling with that so badly. a little common sense goes a long way...

It's long term thinking. I'd take a deal where both sides lose as long as it sends out two messages:

1. If you're in, you're in and committed to european integration; if you're out, you're out for real.
2. Leaving won't make life better for you (deterrence).

This will help the EU in the long term, and solidify the nonnegotiable process of further integration. It's not a personal grudge... I've always said, even before Cameron announced a brexit referendum, that the UK and the rest of the EU should part ways, as it has always been obvious that the former didn't believe in or desire european integration.

This post was edited by zarkadon on Jul 28 2018 05:20pm