lets examine this. You inferred i was antisemitic, I highlighted it, you were unapologetic, I suggested that you may not like it if the tables were turned, you doubled down. The obvious thing is for me to start accusing you of things, how would you like that ? you are dishonestly quoting me and others. basically your lying.

now you are saying Many_names is antisemitic. For the record, Many_names is from Israel so have some respect. he is not antisemitic. if you had read any of the thread at all you would be a bit more clued in. you are repeatedly making personal attacks, give it a rest.

miss the point? the point is you came into this thread on your high horse with no understanding of the current debate. you interrupted with lies and personal attacks. stop with your personal attacks already no one appreciates it.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jun 30 2025 06:32am

At this point I believe you are being deliberately dishonest.

At no point did I call Many_names antisemitic. I said your post was completely dishonest garbage and you (read ferdia) resembled an antisemitic bad faith poster. Emphasize on the bad faith/dishonest. You then spiraled over the antisemitic part ignoring the meat of my criticism and failing to address the original conversation. Bravo.

Read everything you wrote. jesus.

In the meantime I am blocking you. i dont need to converse with someone like you who repeatedly attacks users.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jun 30 2025 12:07pm

Where exactly did he say I was antisemitic? He simply pointed out dishonesty that’s all. That’s also what I felt reading your response. To be honest, it feels like you’re either trolling or just trying to change the subject.

Enough words seems to have been spoken on this topic but if you want it driven home by a holocaust survivor then here you go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxLtxX7kPcU&ab_channel=DoubleDownNews

Stephen Kapos, living in the UK and consuming news shaped by Hamas narratives in British media, might genuinely believe there’s a genocide in Gaza. The fact that he’s a Holocaust survivor does not automatically make his opinion more valid in this context.

While attention drifts to Iran, elections, or domestic politics, the killing continues. Ambulances are bombed. Aid convoys are destroyed and buried in the sand. Tanks fire on starving civilians. People waiting at food stations are gunned down. Cafés are flattened. Airstrikes fall daily. And still, we’re told: Israel does not target civilians. Those who say otherwise are silenced — labeled, smeared, punished. It doesn’t matter who you are: allies, Israeli citizens, Jews, even Holocaust survivors. No one is spared for speaking up. You're either fully on board with what's happening in Gaza — or you're branded the enemy.

The claim collapses under its own contradictions. If Gaza were truly facing mass starvation and total devastation, as described, how exactly are there cafés open to be “flattened”? You can’t have both a society on the brink of famine and an active café culture. More importantly, almost all information coming out of Gaza is filtered through Hamas a terrorist organization that controls the narrative, censors dissent, and manipulates images and reports for propaganda purposes. These dramatic claims about ambulances and aid convoys often originate from unverifiable sources aligned with Hamas. Meanwhile, Israel facilitates daily humanitarian aid, even as Hamas routinely steals supplies, hides weapons in civilian areas, and uses its own population as human shields. To ignore that reality and accept every accusation at face value is not seeking truth it’s parroting propaganda.

This post was edited by Many_Names on Jul 1 2025 02:15am

The is all from the Times of Israel, which I understand is a source you do not discredit.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/report-autopsies-reveal-some-of-medics-killed-by-idf-in-ambulance-incident-were-shot-in-the-head/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/un-says-15-gaza-medics-killed-by-idf-found-in-mass-grave-idf-we-targeted-terrorists/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-shares-initial-details-from-gaza-ambulance-probe-says-troops-told-un-of-burial-site/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/video-appears-to-show-gaza-ambulances-had-emergency-lights-when-idf-fired-on-them/

These articles highlight:

1. Mass Grave
2. Execution Style killing
3. Highlights that at the first opportunity the IDF lied
4. Video Evidence which refuted those lies
5. The actual AMBULANCES were buried as well, let that sink in - buried the actual ambulances!!

So you say its Hamas Propaganda, while the Times of Israel, the Beacon of light for Israel, reports it as a fact.

You completely shifted the conversation. I pointed out how it makes no sense to claim that Gaza is suffering mass famine while also talking about cafés being “flattened” a society can’t be starving and running cafés at the same time. Instead of addressing that contradiction, you jumped to a different topic about alleged IDF actions involving ambulances. Even if some of those claims hold weight, they don’t answer the original point. And let’s be clear: the Times of Israel isn’t confirming these things as facts, it’s reporting what others often the UN or Palestinian officials are claiming, and those sources frequently rely on information coming through Hamas, which controls the narrative in Gaza. That’s not objective truth, it’s repeating allegations. The IDF itself informed the UN about the burial site, which clearly doesn’t suggest a cover-up. War zones are chaotic, and unfortunately, tragic mistakes happen, but that’s exactly why investigations are ongoing. If your idea of truth is just echoing everything Hamas-linked sources say when it’s published in an Israeli paper, you’re not after truth, you’re just repeating propaganda. And the fact you switched topics only proves you couldn’t respond to the original contradiction.